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[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

It’s a thing.

Remember how the cloud is someone else’s server? Now you can buy it (or lease) and bring it home, and it becomes only sorta someone else’s.

Amazon and Azure offer their own on-prem products.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 1 points 9 hours ago

Information We Share.

We use third parties to provide the Service to you, and have contracted with these companies requiring them to protect your information (Third-Party Services):

Google Cloud Platform. Google Cloud Platform (GCP) is a cloud-computing platform. We use GCP to manage services that facilitate responses to user prompts and page summarization.

https://orbitbymozilla.com/privacy

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

"Locally hosted" means it's running on the local host. In this case, that would mean on the same computer running Firefox.

Calling something that is only accessible over the internet "locally hosted" is outrageous doublespeak.

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Why does local mean local? I'm not sure I understand your question.

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (3 children)

If they had said “locally hosted in our datacenter” would you be confused why they didn’t move a rack into your house?

My question is why are you projecting your limited interpretation as a global truth?

[–] mr_satan@monyet.cc 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

In IT context local is a well establised term. It's either hosted locally, i. e. on machine running the browser or not. A datacenter or cloud are remote machines also by the same well established definition.

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Ok, now do your own datacenter vs cloud.

[–] mr_satan@monyet.cc 1 points 10 hours ago
[–] LWD@lemm.ee 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The language is confusing, and Mozilla should fix it themselves.

The important takeaway is: data is sent over an IP address controlled by Google, to a remote server, running Google software. No processing is taking place on someone's local computer.

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

IP address can belong to Mozilla, but the rest is correct.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 14 hours ago

Hadn't checked, that is not a hard requirement for the platform - assuming they actually have it in their infrastructure.

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

If they had said “locally hosted in our datacenter”

Then that would also be an oxymoron.

Local is the opposite of remote. This is a remote server. Remote servers are not local. This is not a matter of interpretation.

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

It is, actually. It is local to them, it is remote to you. They are differentiating from a remote server in someone else’s datacenter. It is not that confusing.

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

This is a FAQ for end users, about a feature in software running on end users' computers.

It is absolutely doublespeak to call it "local". Are we supposed to invent an entirely new term now to distinguish between remote and local? Please do not accept this usage. It will make meaningful communication much harder.

Edit: I mean seriously, by this token OpenAI, Google, Facebook, etc. could call their servers "locally hosted". It is an utterly meaningless term if you accept this usage.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

We actually do have better terminology for "local to Mozilla" and "remote to Mozilla"... It's first party and third party.

And, from the looks of it, Mozilla is indeed using Google Cloud Services as a third party, according to their privacy policy.

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

That’s a given. Google Cloud Platform is managed through the same Google Cloud Console as everything else, which is in Google’s datacenter, even when it it’s running locally - unless you opt for an air-gapped option. It’s how companies can make data locality claims while using the same tools and one of the selling points pushed by cloud services.

[–] smpl@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 23 hours ago

lol, I think we're giving too little credit to the marketing people in tech. I want to read their blogs!