You people think it will be a night and day collapse? Get real. The rich will continue to get richer and you'll toil away in relative comfort as you do now.

[–] TokyoMonsterTrucker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It will seem far away until the day that your home is burning down or under water. And that day is coming.

[–] SolarNialamide@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Even if your particular house is in a safe location, you're still fucked from all the other houses being flooded and burned down because that means disastrous effects on global supply chains including food and a massive refugee crisis the likes of which the world has literally never seen.

[–] Muehe@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You people think it will be a night and day collapse? Get real.

You know that's the thing, nobody really knows. It's all predictions based on necessarily flawed models. And they range from relatively mild changes until the turn of the century on the one hand, over methane released from thawing permafrost leading to a steep acceleration of warming in the middle, to having crossed an irreversible tipping point decades ago that will lead to an algae bloom in the oceans which will render the atmosphere unbreathable on the other hand. We can only hope it's on the former end of the spectrum, but I wouldn't bet on it personally.

[–] bentropy@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We could do more than just hope... And we really should.

[–] RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We can'rt do shit. The only things rhat could potentially have any meaningful impact are government regulation or the killing of CEOs and big investors en masse, and neither one is going to happen.

[–] Muehe@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well not with that attitude. Defeatisms doesn't become you my friend.

[–] RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Unless you expect people to start murdering oil executives and climate denier politicians, you're wrong. Teslas and paper staws are never going to make a difference, because consumer-level pollution isn't the problem.

What reason is there not to be defeatist? We already fucking lost decades ago.

[–] Muehe@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well the problem with defeatism is that it's a self-fullfilling prophecy. If you believe everything is lost you will not try to enact change.

Now I acknowledged already that it might well be too late, but I also maintain that there isn't enough certainty in that prediction to base your actions around it.

So the reason to not be defeatist is twofold. There might be a chance to reverse or at least lessen the impact of climate change, and by being defeatist you are robbing yourself and future generations off that chance.

[–] bentropy@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Very helpful spreading such a stupid mindset. First of all you could change that. Next you can get involved with politics. After that maybe donate some money and so on... Seams like there are many things one could do if the time wasn't wasted on telling everyone there would be nothing they could do 👍

[–] RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Next you can get involved with politics.

Sorry, I have to actually work for a living to keep a fucking roof over my head and food on my table. I literally couldn't make the time if I tried, and I sure as shit don't have the money.

After that maybe donate some money and so on…

What money? I live in America, where the overwhelming majority live paycheck to paycheck and struggle just to get by.

And who should I give it to? Some limp dick lobbying group pushing for glacially incremental change and that no one in government gives a fuck about? Hard pass.

But sure, keep blaming the victims and jerking off the villains. I'm sure it'll all work out great for you.

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

The choice is stark. Toil in bitterness till death or make a way to be involved in building something better . . . till death.

Either way it ends the same. One path makes for a better interim.

[–] bentropy@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So the guy from there riches county in the world is to poor and to lazy to do anything. Good thing you found the time to tell everyone else that they shouldn't do anything too 💩

But seriously, maybe write one letter a week or so to one of your politicians and don't cry me a river that this probably will help nothing... just start and tell others to do the same! Resignation and discouraging others will definitely help nothing!

[–] Muehe@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I meant we can only hope we haven't crossed a tipping point yet without knowing. Carbon cycles are thousands of years long. We might have already killed our species.

But I agree, we should do what we can to fight climate change.