Don't misunderstand me, I'm not part of those groups. But I do see them growing and the issue is that those groups are the only ones courting those people.

Nothing wrong with 35. But people are most definitely influenced by relationships they've had. Running those numbers up doesn't seem to be beneficial for anyone in terms of long term happiness.

And what do you mean projecting? I've seen clips of women on TV saying that. That's not me saying it.

[–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They might be growing. I feel like I haven't heard about MGTOW in a while, but whatever. And, it is true the right wing apparatus is built to court men's favor specifically, yeah. But that apparatus socializes them into pretty toxic people. When people complain about men, those conservative attitudes are what they're talking about.

Unless you hang out in some strange circles. It's obviously possible someone just really hates men, but letting that overshadow a real criticism is pretty god damn silly, in my opinion.

I'm just not sure what any of this has to do with women not being sterling marriage material.

This is what I mean about projection. You've got a chip on your shoulder about something, and so from a tweet with a fairly benign take on men as a culture, we get this insecure, jealous, whataboutism about careerless women being owed alimony, I guess.

I would agree that the left gives up too much social capital about men to the right.

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I need to have a chip on my shoulder to think the original post could easily be written about both sexes? Does that mean you have a chip on your shoulder against men? I don't follow your logic.

[–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As opposed to modern women, who are sterling paragons that men would be crazy to not marry.

To be this spiteful about it? Kinda. You're treating this like a tit-for-tat battle of the sexes for dominance in society, a contest to prove which one really is better, instead of, you know, a grievance somebody has with men as a culture.

Let's imagine you're right, that women aren't great. Would this mean that the men who are socialized not to be desirable don't have anything to do, then? Because both sexes are equally awful, neither one is obligated to improve?

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I think you might be the one projecting. I meant no tone that you are inferring. I think both men and women collectively need to communicate more effectively, and everyone needs to stop speaking broadly about large demographics being represented by loud flashy minorities.

I don't even grant the premise that either sex is as the other is claiming to be, only a small fraction are and that's all that's being interacted with.

No men or women in my entire life fits any of these narratives, but the narratives are all you hear about. They pervade social media just like bad news does in our 24/7 doom scroll world. The majority of people are just decent. But we pretend that every woman is a 304 and every guy is a rapist.