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[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (54 children)

Who’s a little boy that pays people to have animals killed?

no one does that

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ok, i get it, it's fun to hate on the vegan, but he's right and you're not.

If you buy meat somewhere part of the price is you paying for the person that killed it. That's obvious right?

Of course in relation to the cat, even if there's a healthy vegan diet possible, he's wrong imo. Why force our choices onto pets?

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

We already force our cats to eat the canned food and dry kibble we provide them. The standard cat diet is just not healthy to start with, which is what opens the conversation to "what food would make my cat healthy" and then if you are already there, its not much of a stretch to consider ALL types of foods so that we are sure to find the best result.

If vegan food for cats is possible without reducing the cats quality of life, then its worth trying. Most cats just plain dont like the vegan food though, and no vegan would force their CST to be unhappy just to make them vegan.

The whole point is to improve the cats life, not to force our morals on them. If it was possible for your cat to live 25% longer on a vegan diet, would it be abusive not to even consider it? (Not saying that's a settled fact, its a thought exercise).

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

If you buy meat somewhere part of the price is you paying for the person that killed it.

no. that person is already paid and paid by somebody who is not me

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The premise is what matters, which is that you like to eat meat. Because of this, let's say a chicken company has decided they will kill a chicken so that you can buy it. Your actions cause an incentive to kill animals, and so someone does and sells it to you.

You could kill it yourself, but like you said, you are no murderer, so you pay a company to do it for you and then you get to feel like you aren't a murderer. What a deal!

People dont eat meat because companies produce it, companies produce it because people eat it. Therefore the blame lies with those that eat it, which also means the best way to reduce animal deaths is to stop eating meat so that companies will produce less of it.

Eventually, they might stop producing it at any meaningful scale altogether, once enough people reduce or stop their consumption of meat.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

you pay a company to do it for you

i have never done that.

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[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

People dont eat meat because companies produce it, companies produce it because people eat it

i don't know how you would go about trying to disprove this claim.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Your actions cause an incentive to kill animals, and so someone does and sells it to you.

people's actions are not caused by incentives. they are caused by our will. i don't decide for others whether to kill chickens. tehy decide for themselves.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Peoples actions are caused by rewards. When you do something and are rewarded either externally (other people, nature, etc.) or internally (self-reward) which then causes you to want to repeat the actions. Its cyclical, and you can't have the action without the reward or the system breaks and the action stops being rewarded. If you do this cycle long enough, you will learn a habit that no longer requires the type of reward to sustain.

You buy meat, reward company with money, company is happy and decides to do it again, rinse and repeat. You can't have one without the other so the company is just as responsible for selling as you are for buying. Either of you could break the cycle but neither wants to.

Thats why vegans try to show a good example and share their reasoning and discuss things, because this is what breaks harmful cycles and habits.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Peoples actions are caused by rewards.

no. tehy are caused by the will of the person. they can choose to do otherwise. i do not make their choice for them.

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