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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 221 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Vegans argued that cats, which are obligate carnivores, can eat a vegan diet safely. Lemmy.world admin removed the posts for being misinformation, and the vegan community threw a fit over it.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 187 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Ask your vet what they think about a vegan diet for your pets. They will tell you "no". That should really be the end to the discussion, but I guess these guys think they know better than actual experts.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 109 points 3 months ago (6 children)

It's so sad, because veganism is a good force in our culture. Look at all of the vegan meat alternatives and more and more restaurants that have to have at least vegetarian options in certain areas. That wasn't a thing 20 years ago.

Vegan diets help the environment and improve health. But many vegans get this brain rot, probably a consequence of a superiority complex where they have to police everything around them. It happens in a lot of communities.

I'm not a vegan. But the idea has me eating less and less meat every year.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 58 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I imagine most vegans are just ordinary people. And hell, good on them for making the environmentally friendly choice. I've been excited that my local stores are starting to carry plant-based alternatives that aren't expensive as hell. Fuck are the weirdos loud, though.

[–] 2001aCentenaryofFederation@fedia.io 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Impossible burgers are better than beef burgers and I’m fully prepared to die on this hill.

But I still eat meat, I just like that there’s options

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I wouldn't mind switching to a complete vegetarian diet if they can get deep-fried chicken substitutes right.

[–] jelloeater85@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

I've made beyond smash burgers that are terrible for you, but sooo tasty.

[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

I've had some baller chicken fried tofu.

[–] EmoPolarbear@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago

KFC has a very good breaded fake chicken burger

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I really really like Quorn (or however it's spelled) as a chicken substitute. The flavor has to be added artificially but I think the texture is pretty satisfying and reminds me of chicken.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

There was a recent blind taste test for chicken nuggets (not chicken strips/tenders) and all the plant based nuggets, even the cheap ones, beat out the actual chicken ones.

Now, chicken strips, I agree with you, sadly.

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

Not better...but 95% there. I will order it anytime I can if it's reasonable price.

[–] jelloeater85@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Some of it can be really tasty! Cooking vegetarian all the time isn't as hard as it used to be. Gotta keep that cholesterol down 🤪

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Okay, I troll the hell out of vegans online, because it's easy and always entertaining. So, anyone coming along after this, take that into account.

But, you nailed it. There's a subsection of vegans that treat it like a religion, and anyone else as infidels. That superiority complex, the smugness is a huge detriment to vegan living and principles.

But (and here's why I made the disclaimer), they're a minority overall. I know too many vegans irl that are chill, wonderful people following their beliefs and ideals without being jerks about it. Vegetarians too, though that's tangential.

It's really online that the asshole hats get put on the most, and usually only on sites/services that make it easy to be anonymous. Which is a good thing! Anonymous discourse is not just important, it's vital to part of humans becoming better than what we are. But there will always be people that hide their true selves until they're anonymous and can feel safe, and that includes people that are smug, arrogant assholes down deep. It also includes people that don't feel safe being an outsider or dissenter, and people that are awesome down deep, but have to keep up a front irl.

Anyway my point is that we, the non vegans of the world, have to be careful to not forget the human. Vegans are mostly deeply compassionate, kind souls that want the best for anyone and everyone, including animals. We don't have to agree with them, just remember that the loudest, most obnoxious voices aren't the sum total of the vegan community.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago

I have a live and let live attitude to veganism vs carnism. No living being should be forced to be a vegan, no living being should be forced to be a carnist, and no living being should be forced to be a hamburger. Can't we just end all the aggression and live peacefully?

[–] Zier@fedia.io 14 points 3 months ago (13 children)

I think people confuse the Political Based Vegan lifestyle and the Dietary Plant-based Vegan. They are not the same. Most people hate the political wing because they just cannot shut up. I do not want to be subjected to your religion, and you are not helping the animals you claim to. Dietary people just choose healthier options for themselves and don't evangelize to others.

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[–] kemsat@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I get the climate change vegans, but not the hurt animals vegans. We live on earth, and in case people haven’t noticed, we have to kill to survive. If you don’t eat meat, you’re still hurting plants to eat, and most of the time we’re eating the sexual organs or the offspring of plants.

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[–] finestnothing@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

My MIL likes to pull out the phrase "indoctornated" anytime a doctor/vet/educated professional disagrees with her hardcore plant based diet views for all people and animals

[–] Damage@feddit.it 5 points 3 months ago

"indoctornated"

Sovereign: "assuming direct control"

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But they Did tHerY owN rEsEaRCH

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 4 points 3 months ago

They're alumni of FBU.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago

“But someone who calls themselves a professor made a 4 hour long YouTube essay on how they caaan be vegan come on click the link!!!”

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think it can be done for dog if you are careful and know what you are doing. However, I still wouldn't prioritize ethical views over the well being of my pets. That is very much animal abuse.

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[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Jeez that is awful! People: if you want a vegan pet, get a rabbit! They are so sweet! There are tons of them in the shelter system, especially after Easter.

I swear they’re the funniest and most affectionate four legged friends around!

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I have heard that they're little fucks, they'll just bounce to your leg to bite it and shit.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

My rabbit never bit me even once over his entire life. He gave lots of kisses though. And he loved coming over for pets and then running and jumping and spinning around in the air.

Every rabbit has a different personality. They aren’t the smartest pets around but they can be trained not to do the things you don’t want them to do, such as biting. They remember best when you get their attention with something that provokes a fear based response, such as a sharp “no!” That’s all it took for my bunny.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I really hate how many people are spreading disinfo for no reason here. We should be better than that.

The vegans stated very clearly that current science shows that the cat would need a fuckton of supplements and attention to be on a vegan diet but it's functional.

The admins then overstepped and removed such comments.

I'm not going to argue the validity of any of those claims as I'm not a vegan and I don't care to research, but the vegan mods were a lot more reasonable than they're being painted here.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (19 children)

The pet sector must die, pet ownership isn’t vegan, pet breeders are the enemies;

We’re not doing “optimal nutrition”, sorry. That biohacking shit to create immortal adopted pets isn’t going to work out. It’s hardly even clear for humans what the optimal diet is, and they pretend that they know what it is for cats??? These fools don’t even comprehend that evolution doesn’t give a shit about longevity. It’s a standard imposed by the marketing agencies of pet foods who want to milk pet owner feelings to have their pets die after they do. It’s a false standard that is great for advertising, but otherwise functions as a Nirvana fallacy machine.

This is just a rephrase, but pet ownership is bourgeois. Well, aristocratic, then bourgeois. Detach. This isn’t about you, you don’t get to annex a sentient being just to keep them as an emotional service slave or as a status symbol. This one is especially for Americans where pets live better than poor people.

Uh. Hardly reasonable.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah, that's well and truly off the deep end. This is someone who I'd cross the road to avoid.

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[–] Summzashi@lemmy.one 2 points 3 months ago

Good. I don't give a shit about what you put in your mouth. But if you think it's ok to give your pets a shit load of supplements for no reason at all other than forcing your extremism on helpless animals you're out of your mind.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

As a vegan who spends no time associating with other vegans, because it's not a large part of my identity (other than watching cooking videos), these people are idiots who are getting high on being righteous.

So much so they overdosed and became animal abusers.

Quite ironic. Funny, if it weren't causing harm.