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[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think he didn't really get that "Picard gets a neurological link to the Borg" == "not good"...

[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Imagine he's developing the Neurolink because he thought it was good.

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To be fair there would be some interesting consequences to a hive mind, it's almost like having perfect empathy. You would have no desire to harm anyone else, because you'd be literally harming yourself.

I was hoping the plot in Picard was going to kinda go this route, and just like the Borg were in part a critique of Soviet communism, it could have presented a more anarchism inspired idealistic version of communism framing a queen-less Borg collective as a perfect consensus-building cooperative community.

[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

But if they were queen-less, how would they come to any decision?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

In ants the queen doesn't make the decisions the hive mind makes the decisions. No one individual makes the decisions any more than any particular brain cell is in charge of you.

I'm very fond of the idea of the Borg and having their hive mind nature be a bit more at the forefront. In that current iteration the borg can't really a hive mind they're more just a bunch of zombies controlled by a single person.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I was so disappointed when they introduced the Borg queen. The hive mind concept is so interesting and it suffered greatly afterwards. Just like when in Discovery they moved the interestingly widespread Control into a single body, so that it could be easily dealt with. I see it as lazy writing and not enough fantasy.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 2 points 2 months ago

First iteration was better "I am the borg". The single voice of the hive mind to deal with a singular protagonist.

(If you want you can play with the idea that creating a queen was a mistaaake and now the hive is ruled by petty tyrants)

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

how do you come to a decision reconciling your many internal perspectives and various senses? it's just a higher scale consciousness after all!

I think that version of a hive mind is way more powerful and interesting than the Queen/drone metaphor. But I guess Trek needed to be able to defeat them somehow.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I would happily be in a hive mind if there was the option to leave it whenever I wanted and if the technology was safe.

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I don't think you could do it in Trek easily due to the Borg baggage, but I'd love a sci-fi exploration of the positive sides of hive minds. If you include the idea of voluntary participation you could lean further into making it an anarchism allegory as I mentioned in another comment.

Like I also already said, I think Picard had a chance to do this but completely blew it in favor of a "benevolent dictator" idea instead.