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“What was very shocking was that while we were all in the room discussing and listening to people impacted by what’s happening in Gaza, we’re not certain that that message will get across to the people at the top of the party,” Khader added. “You look at the themes of the party’s convention – today, tomorrow, Wednesday, and Thursday – there’s nowhere where Palestinians are included in that narrative.”

While the platform condemned former President Donald Trump for refusing to “endorse the political aspirations of the Palestinian people,” it made no divergence from the status quo policy of vetoing UN Security Council resolutions this year that moved towards Palestinian statehood.

While the platform boasts of being opposed to settler violence, it makes no acknowledgment of the International Court of Justice finding the Israeli government’s occupation and illegal expansions of settlements constitute apartheid.

And to that end, while the platform condemns UN efforts that apparently “single out” Israel, and the Boycott, Divest, and Sanctions movement for the same – apparently ignoring the historical precedent of Americans also boycotting and pushing divestment against fossil fuel companies and apartheid South Africa.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Both AOC and Reverend Warnock made Gaza key pieces of their speeches on Monday delivered to 20 million viewers:

https://youtu.be/WP0RzBkab2w#t=2m40s

https://youtu.be/hWU43_R9R58#t=12m44s

If Warnock didn't move you then you aren't human.

Biden too:

https://youtu.be/ehmgSOPVBZw#t=38m14s

Bernie Sanders hit it again tonight:

https://youtu.be/dHICDswj-1U#t=10m45s

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Wow what a beautiful speech. AOC even mentions Kamala "working tirelessly to bring a ceasefire to Gaza"...

Right after the Biden admin approved $24 Billion in arms shipments to israel.

Can you timestamp the moment in that video where they bring up putting an arms embargo on israel? Lip service just doesn't hit the same after 10 months of Genocide.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The Vice President has no say in what the Administration does or doesn't do. Unless it comes to a 50/50 tie in the Senate, she has no real power at this point.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Gutless shill. "The party's nominee to the office of president (the de facto leader of the party) has zero say in their current policies"

The excuses are becoming as offensive as the genocide itself.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Correct. As Vice President, her job is to step in if Biden can't continue and break ties in the Senate, that's it.

She has made statements on self determination and a two state solution, but she will not run counter to the current administration.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/us-elections-kamala-harris-biden-gaza-israel-war/

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago

Reading your feckless dodge to my point and playing the theme of The West Wing in crescendo

[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"the party" lol

What dialectical materialism does to a mfer

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago

not sure what you're on about but it's sure to be stupid as shit

[–] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're worried about the genocide? So I'm sure you'll have strong feelings about this?

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Only an ever growing disgust at liberals looking for literally any excuse to blame people not in power for the actions of their preferred leaders, who are in power.

  1. I don't honestly believe nor give a shit about this because

  2. Bibi is never going to willingly agree to an actual end to the genocide in the first place so anyone making this a center of attention is just fucking dumb. Like real fucking dumb. A credulous rube with zero critical thinking skills or long term memory.

[–] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
  1. Bibi is in power.
  2. I'm not "liberal."
  3. I doubt you give two fucks about genocide or Palestine if you're not concerned that Trump is possibly

BLOCKING A CEASEFIRE.

See? I can do lists too.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No really you have the brain of a fish. You see a shiny object and you bite on it without question. Only an idiot of the highest order could be tricked into thinking there was anything even rhetorically framed as a cease fire on the table. Having any awareness at all of Biden's ideology and Bibi's political situation make the idea a joke.

I doubt you give two fucks about genocide or Palestine if you’re not concerned that Trump is possibly

Your disgusting cynicism in full bloom. You literally don't give a shit except now you have an angle to make it about your election.

Ah, so Bibi had no intention of a crease fire, so Donny boy interfering is perfectly acceptable. You really do care about Palestine. It's so obvious.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Kamala made an official statmeent that she will keep delivering bombs to israel for Genocide if she is elected.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No, she did not. Your lies may fly with other people, they do not fly with me:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/us-elections-kamala-harris-biden-gaza-israel-war/

Nobody in the administration supports the Gazan genocide. Not Biden, not Harris.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If a state is committing an ongoing genocide, and another state routinely sends weapons to that state, they are militarily supporting that genocide. That is the reality on the ground, regardless of the rhetoric from the Biden Administration. Ending that unconditional military support is what is required to stop supporting that genocide and abide by International Law

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, they aren't. Because that same state is under attack from state sponsored terrorism.

If they are choosing to misappropriate the support for improper purposes, that's on them.

Kind of like when we send humanitarian aid to a country where it is immediately and illegally siezed by the government. We're not just going to stop sending aid.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sending Israel military aid explicitly for uses that must abide by International Law, such as to protection from Iran for example, that is conditional military aid. The Biden Administration is not doing that, they know full well that the unconditional military aid sent to Israel is being used for the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza

Saying that they support a ceasefire while simultaneously supplying unconditional military aid to a nation engaging in genocide, while it might provide some plausible deniability, is still a violation of international law and morally representable

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We have no constraints on Israel for international law or any other kind of law, in fact, we run interference for them when it comes to UN Resolutions through our veto power.

The analogy I like using is that Israel is the bratty little kid on the playground who feels he can do anything "because my big brother will beat you up!"

It will continue until someone breaks the little shits nose regardless of consequences.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

The transfer of weapons and ammunition to Israel may constitute serious violations of human rights and international humanitarian laws and risk State complicity in international crimes, possibly including genocide, UN experts said today, reiterating their demand to stop transfers immediately.

“These companies, by sending weapons, parts, components, and ammunition to Israeli forces, risk being complicit in serious violations of international human rights and international humanitarian laws,” the experts said. This risk is heightened by the recent decision from the International Court of Justice ordering Israel to immediately halt its military offensive in Rafah, having recognised genocide as a plausible risk, as well as the request filed by the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court seeking arrest warrants for Israeli leaders on allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity. “In this context, continuing arms transfers to Israel may be seen as knowingly providing assistance for operations that contravene international human rights and international humanitarian laws and may result in profit from such assistance.”

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can lie and censor the truth with your mod powers on .World. You seem to have forgotten you can't do that on .ml

Harris Doesn’t Support Arms Embargo on Israel, a Top Adviser Says

And of course the new DNC platform matches this

DNC 2024: New Democratic Party platform shuns US arms embargo on Israel

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Show me where they support the use of weapons for genocide. It's cool, I can wait.

Oh, you can't because they don't.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It says it right in the article I linked

Unless you're saying Biden is not sending weapons for Genocide too... Surely you're not a Genocide denier right?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sending weapons != "please use these for genocide". Try again.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So you're saying you don't believe israel is committing Genocide with American weapons?

Holy reading comprehension, Batman.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Israel will commit genocide with or without American weapons. It's what they do.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Israel cannot commit Genocide without American weapons. You were linked an article proving that on r/Politics, surely you read that article.

But even that is entirely irrelevant as the Democrats could be not-complicit in Genocide by not sending weapons to israel. Can you explain why they are sending 2,000 pound bombs to israel?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They absolutely can and do.

See their policy of bulldozing the homes of the families of the people who oppose them. No US provided bulldozers necessary.

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/4/24/what-is-israels-bulldozer-strategy-in-the-occupied-west-bank

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure why you keep pivoting to 'they could do it without Democrats'. But at least try not to be wrong in every example you give

The IDF Caterpillar D9 — nicknamed Doobi (Hebrew: דובי, for teddy bear) — is a Caterpillar D9 armored bulldozer used by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). It is supplied by Caterpillar Inc. and modified by the Israel Defense Forces

Whether israel can commit Genocide without American weapons is not relevant to Democrats giving them weapons to commit Genocide with.

If Adolf Hitler could commit Genocide without Krupp manufacturing weapons and Zyklon B it does not make Krupp "not complicit" for doing so. Sending 2000 pound bombs to an active Genocide makes

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because, Israel is intent on illegally occupying every square inch of Gaza and the West Bank and they don't care how many people they have to kill to seize that territory. US policy has nothing to do with it, they do not care what we think, they're doing it anyway.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

America is proving the weapons and legal cover for israel to do that.

You keep doing that magical leap to somehow the Democrats not being complicit despite them clearly being complicit in the Genocide israel is committing.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

All American administrations do this, it's not "The Democrats".

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Okay good now you've admitted the the entire American administration are complicit in Genocide minus maybe 4 Democrats and Thomas Massie.

Now the question is. what is Leahy Law and why is it not applied to israel yet? Because it sure seems there's a lot of laws preventing sending weapons to a Genocide.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because we don't apply laws to Israel. Nobody does. It has to do with Evangelicals and end times bullshittery.

Israel has to exist so Jesus can come back, and all that.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But wait your argument is that Democrats are not complicit in Genocide.

So the Democrats are not complicit in Genocide because... Jesus has to come back to earth?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm saying no US politician, for 78 years, will dare go against the Israeli lobby and the Evangelical voting block. It's not about genocide, it never has been. It's about money and power. Always has been.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I’m saying no US politician, for 78 years, will dare go against the Israeli lobby and the Evangelical voting block.

Because few people were willing to withhold their vote for it.

Would be a shame if there were moderators on forums censoring political discussions when people are willing to do so.

Almost like they want to hide the complicity in Genocide because it could stop people voting for their party of preference.

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Sounds like she has my vote then.

[–] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What's your take on this?

And I'm sure you noticed the trump quote in the article:

"From the start, Harris has worked to tie Israel's hand behind its back, demanding an immediate ceasefire, always demanding ceasefire...which would only give Hamas time to regroup and launch a new October 7 style attack."

Thoughts?

And where are you getting $24 billion? I'm only finding $20 Billion when i search. And that's just mentioning a deal involving F15's that won't arrive until 2026. Love to see your source on that.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So, your $24 bil is actually $3 bil, but that's not as eye grabbing. Just ignore the delivery date of the vast majority of your claims. Not pushing agenda at all.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What’s your take on this?

Sounds like he should go to jail maybe you should forward it to the police instead of me.

“From the start, Harris has worked to tie Israel’s hand behind its back, demanding an immediate ceasefire, always demanding ceasefire…which would only give Hamas time to regroup and launch a new October 7 style attack.”

Trump says he was better for the economy and Biden is worse. We all know that's fake but when it's convenient people suddenly start parroting Trumps words as if they mean anything.

Trump calls Biden a ‘bad Palestinian’ in US presidential debate jab

[–] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So, no calls of genocide Don? "Huh, will that's interesting." That's it? I thought you were against genocide in the middle east..?

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you ignore the last line in my comment you can keep typing trash. Maybe read before that.

"Yes, i will ignore allegations of my chosen one interfering in peace talks because it fouls up my intended propaganda."

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