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EFF Says Mozilla's PPA is better than Google's Solution (www.fastcompany.com)

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Mozilla’s system only measures the success rate of ads—it doesn’t help companies target those ads—and it’s less susceptible to abuse, EFF’s Lena Cohen told @FastCompany@flipboard.com. “It’s much more privacy-preserving than Google’s version of the same feature.”

https://mastodon.social/@eff/112922761259324925

Privacy experts say the new toggle is mostly harmless, but Firefox users saw it as a betrayal.

“They made this technology for advertisers, specifically,” says Jonah Aragon, founder of the Privacy Guides website. “There’s no direct benefit to the user in creating this. It’s software that only serves a party other than the user.”

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[–] LWD@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So you agree with #1 but are upset I have not provided specifics... FakeSpot and Anonym privacy policies are downright evil, the specifics are there.

For #2, you also agree with me, you just have a much lower ethical bar than I do for Mozilla. It's always the Mozilla fans who act like it's a terrible company...

Regarding the claim that Mozilla is good and Google is bad, that's based on a presumption. Considering all the terrible behavior Mozilla has engaged in, I see no reason to continue presuming it. It would be as clueless as taking Google at its word with "do no evil."

[–] Vincent@feddit.nl 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

So you agree with #1 but are upset I have not provided specifics...

No; I have claimed that it doesn't collect personal data. You're disputing that claim, but if you can't mention a single piece of data, then I'm not inclined to believe you. (Fakespot and Anonym are completely unrelated to PPA. I'm not necessarily interested in branching out to discussing those as well, though I expect that we're more aligned on them anyway.)

Regarding the claim that Mozilla is good and Google is bad, that's based on a presumption.

No, I'm claiming that Google's actions in the past have been worse than Mozilla's, and I have named concrete actions that Google has done that Mozilla has not.

But go on, keep on telling people to avoid Mozilla, and see if that'll bring us a better world.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No; I have claimed that [Mozilla] doesn't collect personal data... Fakespot and Anonym are completely unrelated to PPA.

Fakespot and Anonym are completely Mozilla Corp. And their privacy policies are a clear violation of the Mozilla Manifesto.

I have named concrete actions that Google has done that Mozilla has not.

I have named concrete privacy policies Mozilla has adopted, but unfortunately you didn't want to look into them.

But go on, keep on telling people to avoid Mozilla

I am using the Mozilla guidelines on how to treat Mozilla: encouraging other people to tell them, plainly and openly, that they need to knock off their terrible behavior.

[–] Vincent@feddit.nl 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Again, bringing Fakespot and Anonym is just moving the goalposts. You were complaining about PPA, and have failed to mention concrete data points that shares about you. It's really not interesting to move on to another subject only to have the goalposts moved again.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You said

The main difference between Mozilla and Google is that Google is actually sucking up your data.

I responded to you in kind.

[–] Vincent@feddit.nl 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

OK, fair enough, that was me allowing myself getting sidetracked. You still haven't answered the earlier question about what extra data PPA provides anyone, though. I'll leave it at that unless you can name one concrete piece of data.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

The burden of evidence is on Mozilla to tell us exactly what data they are consuming, down to the byte. Otherwise, informed consent cannot be given.

And Mozilla should not be the thief of informed consent.