this post was submitted on 11 Aug 2024
431 points (93.9% liked)

MeanwhileOnGrad

1346 readers
2 users here now

"Oh, this is calamity! Calamity! Oh no, he's on the floor!"

Welcome to MoG!


Meanwhile On Grad


Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!


What is a Tankie?


Alternatively, a detailed blog post about Tankies.

(caution of biased source)


Basic Rules:

Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.

Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.

Apologia(Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.

Revisionism — No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users as it handwaves their extremism.

Tankies can explain their views but may be criticised or attacked for them. Any slight infraction on the rules above will immediately earn a warning and possibly a ban.

Off-topic Discussion — Do not discuss unrelated topics to the point of derailing the thread. Stay focused on the direct content of the post as opposed to arguing.

You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically only last 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction will double the amount. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Update: I got banned from hexbear and grad lmao

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] CJOtheReal@ani.social 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh wow thats so fucking wrong, lemmy.ml is run by the same admins as lemmygrad, that goes for most mods as well, they are basically red faschism, thats not a different opinion, thats straight up illigal shit in many places and defederation is a great option to filter out illigal stuff. Both .ml instances have regular posts that violate EU laws, especially regarding genocide denial and screaming genocide about things that very obviously are not.

[–] sparkle@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Look, I don't know the federation rules of ani.social. But our instance, lemm.ee, has defederated literally only 3 instances. IIRC 2 of them are borderline CSAM instances, and the other one is threads.net. The instance intentionally has lenient rules on this stuff – defederation doesn't happen unless there's a massive issue of rule-breaking in lemm.ee caused by the other instance (e.g. spam/brigading) which can't be resolved with diplomacy between admins. Hence defederation being considered the last resort.

Also I'm not so sure about the claim that denying the Uyghur genocide and saying they think certain other things are genocide (don't know what you're referring to here though) is illegal in the EU.

[–] CJOtheReal@ani.social 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We defederated nothing but the .ml bouble including Hexbear defederated us because we apparently have something to do with child porn, NSFW is literally not allowed here...

And genocide denial is illegal in Germany, many other EU countries followed that, but the majority of instances host with Hezner, wich has servers in Germany, so its legally problematic for EU hosted instances. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-criminalizes-denying-war-crimes-genocide/a-63834791

Lemmy.ml also Spams the modlog and have been reported to engage in problematic federation actions. Hexbear is also Brigading a lot and lemmygrad is literally denying the holocaust from time to time.

[–] sparkle@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

And genocide denial is illegal in Germany, many other EU countries followed that, but the majority of instances host with Hezner, wich has servers in Germany, so its legally problematic for EU hosted instances. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-criminalizes-denying-war-crimes-genocide/a-63834791

Huh. Well considering the actions of the German government this past year, I doubt they'll be doing much about genocide denial this time around.

This alleged holocaust denial though... you've piqued my interest. Lemmygrad, being an extremely communist instance, is almost always vocal about how the Nazis did a lot of genocide. It'd be weird for that to be there without immediately being removed by mods. Do you have any examples or quotes, perchance? I haven't had a particularly good experience with lemmygrad users on average, but this would definitely take the cake.

As for Hexbear brigading, that actually was apparently an issue for lemm.ee a long time ago. But the admins talked with the hexbear admins and were able to get it resolved. At least, on lemm.ee communities, hexbear users seem to be following the rules – usually it's lemmy.world users breaking the rules sitewide (usually for transphobia, very recently some prominent users there were promoting pedophilia). But I think lemm.ee doesn't ban users much regardless unless they're extraordinarily uncivil and cartoonishly evil. There's not even a modlog that I can find (pretty weird not to have a mod log).

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Lemmygrad doesn't deny the nazis did the holocaust, no. But they do deny that Jews were systematically killed in WW2 by the Soviet Union. They do deny that the Soviet Union assisted Nazi Germany in gathering Jews.

There is evidence of this across this community, which you may search for at your leisure.

[–] CJOtheReal@ani.social -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

I restored your comments. No idea why they were removed as they aren't in the modlog. Did your instance admins remove them for some reason?

[–] sparkle@lemm.ee -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

...? I'm confused. Is ani.social a Nazi/anti-Palestine instance? I've had a total of 2 interactions with people from there mentioning Germany denying Israeli war crimes, and both of those people happened to be pro-ethnostate and immediately went the genocide denial route. I guess weebs on Lemmy are just as conservative as weebs on Reddit or something

Edit: Oh, it's mostly porn/erotic content and talking about erotic content in anime... so it's literally just the Reddit anime communities, but on the fediverse. Welp, that's enough Lemmy for today