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Why capitalists are coming out against democracy - "Does classical liberalism imply democracy?"

https://www.ellerman.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Reprint-EGP-Classical-Liberalism-Democracy.pdf

"There is a fault line running through ... liberalism as to whether or not democratic self- governance is a necessary part of a liberal social order. The democratic and non-democratic strains of classical liberalism are both present today. Many ... libertarians ... represent the non-democratic strain in their promotion of non-democratic sovereign city-states."

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[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 6 points 3 months ago (12 children)

Arguable whether a "capitalist class" existed in classical times.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago (10 children)

We're not talking about classical times at all. We're talking about the Age of Enlightenment and a little after. But as for those classical liberals at that proper time? They're some of the first real capitalists.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 7 points 3 months ago (8 children)

TIL "classical liberalism" has absolutely nothing to do with the "classical" part, great, who the fuck decided to name it that?

[–] grumpybozo@toad.social 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

@V0ldek @sneerclub The people who decided that they liked 18th & 19th century “liberals” a whole lot more than the modern ones. Basically Libertarians.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 3 months ago

And yet they use humanism as a slur. Interesting, that.

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