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Do you really think it's worth taking that risk if it comes down to it?
That's the point of MAD. If they launch nukes, they get nuked back 10 times harder. Even in their best case scenario, Russia and Belarus become radioactive holes in the ground. Worst case for everyone, they kill the whole world with them. We can't let a rogue nuclear power do whatever they want because they have nukes. That's why we have nukes too. Like 90% of the "muh escalation" people are Russia shills.
I never even suggested we let them do whatever we want. That doesn't mean we provoke them into using their nukes.
Using that logic they can do whatever they want, as long as they back up their 'want' with nukes.
I think there are things we should never let them do, even under threat of nukes. Muscovy needs hard red lines, else they'd just annex everything. That even means calling their nuke bluff from time to time.
Call for diplomacy. It can be both that the Russians illegally invaded Ukraine to rebuild the former Empire. It can also be that the US is in this to make profit for the military industrial complex and to sell natural gas to Western Europe to expand the empire.
After the fall of the Soviet Union the US made treaties with Russia that stated NATO will not pass reunified Germany. Now NATO is on Russia’s border. We store nukes several hindered miles from Moscow. Imagine how the US would react with Russian nukes on this side of the world. Say 90 miles off the coast of Florida.
The Cold War is over. NATO should be gone.
I am not a Russian apologist or a tankie. I am pro peace. I am a U.S. citizen. I love my country. I believe we should not be a nation above nations but rather a nation among nations. Just remember the people in the media talking about freedom are the same fuckers who got US into Iraq and Afghanistan. Lindsey Graham put it best.
“I like the path we're on. With American weapons and money, Ukraine will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.”
The Europeans have been doing that since the fall of the USSR. It got more intense after 2014. It doesn't work with Putin's Russia.
I'd ask you to prove that but we both know that no such Treaty ever existed.
Happens all the time. Russian Nuclear Submarines on the East Coast, Russian Spy Ships hovering around Florida and Hawaii, and recently the Russians and Chinese started getting together to party off the coast of Alaska.
So it's not a question, we KNOW what the modern day response is. The US keeps an eye on it but otherwise continues to go about its business.
Yes, I imagine that President Putin would like that very much.
Said while spouting regurgitated and endlessly disproved Pro-Russian talking points. We all want "peace" bub, but rolling over and showing your belly is a poor way to get it.
So am I, of direct Lithuanian & German descent. My people came here Post WWII after seeing what the Russians were like first hand. Your call for appeasement is of no interest to me Mr. Chamberlain.
Seems legit to me. Putin is just being a whiny bitch and only showing countries why they should join NATO. Let's think about it. He invades Ukraine because he doesn't want to share a border with a NATO country. He wins Ukraine. Ukraine shares a border with Poland, a NATO country. Now what? Invade Poland too? And do you actually think for a goddamn second a defensive alliance is going to invade Russia?
Not to mention his aggression literally caused 2 more countries to join NATO.
What year is it? Why do you libs do this shit where you think it's clever using dumb names? Is that an 'own' or something?
Not sure if you want an actual answer, but the name "Russia" originally comes from "Kievan Rus", and Kyiv is in ... Ukraine. Renaming it to Muscovy (original name of the country) is then symbolically taking the name back.
Why you so butthurt? You ain't a Ruskie are you?
That's a weird way to see the world, dude.
Yes.
It's suicide for them if they do. We know our nukes work.
Rather not let nuclear dictators have free reign on the world because "OMG they may nuke us". Otherwise give em the keys to the world right now and surrender.
There's an old American proverb: LIVE FREE OR DIE