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Bethesda Game Studios workers have unionized (www.theverge.com)

submitted 4 months ago by some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org to c/technology@lemmy.world

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[–] jorp@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what private property is. Also I'm not sure if you understand exactly where capitalism begins and ends compared to other concepts like money, trade, and markets.

The gap there is again the concept of private property and how economic production capability is owned and operated.

It's shocking to me how much trouble people have imagining non-capitalist systems, propaganda has successfully conflated the idea of capitalism with economy, and with freedom. You're more a victim of that than anything else, so no hard feelings.

Anarcho-capitalism is a contradictory ideology and there's no way to reconcile those two things together. Capitalism must be rejected in any egalitarian society.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what private property is.

That's damn certain, I've only seen any discussion on the possible separation of such 1) in Russian language, 2) it's specific to your ideology, so requires clarification of terms.

Also I’m not sure if you understand exactly where capitalism begins and ends compared to other concepts like money, trade, and markets.

Same with this. People mean all kinds of things saying "capitalism". It requires clarifying which exact meaning you are using.

It’s shocking to me how much trouble people have imagining non-capitalist systems, propaganda has successfully conflated the idea of capitalism with economy, and with freedom. You’re more a victim of that than anything else, so no hard feelings.

Well, no hard feelings, but when I try to extract specific statements from this sentence, I get none. A bit similar to the Imperial ambassador's words from "Foundation" book.

Anarcho-capitalism is a contradictory ideology and there’s no way to reconcile those two things together. Capitalism must be rejected in any egalitarian society.

Anarcho-capitalism does not necessarily involve capitalism (depends on the definition of that). It's a name that stuck.

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yikes dawg how does one communicate with someone whose ideological landscape is full of missing definitions and contradictory definitions? There's a lot to untangle here and I'm not willing or able to do that for you. I can only suggest reading more anarchist sources. I typically share this one as a decent conceptual intro https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works although I don't agree with everything it says.

I'm finding it difficult to be talking to an "anarcho-capitalist" who doesn't seem to agree or identify with either anarchism or capitalism nor have confidence in their understanding of the terms.

Maybe don't be so quick to label yourself, let your mind explore without the baggage of assuming what you are a priori.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yikes dawg how does one communicate with someone whose ideological landscape is full of missing definitions and contradictory definitions?

That's not what I've said. I've said that your definitions are subjective to your own ideology. Thus they require clarification when used.

There’s a lot to untangle here and I’m not willing or able to do that for you. I can only suggest reading more anarchist sources. I typically share this one as a decent conceptual intro https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works although I don’t agree with everything it says.

I've read Kropotkin. For everything good, against everything bad, no specifics, no mechanisms, and how animals don't hurt each other for power (in fact they do).

I’m finding it difficult to be talking to an “anarcho-capitalist” who doesn’t seem to agree or identify with either anarchism or capitalism nor have confidence in their understanding of the terms.

I've even explained to you how ancap is just a common name and what the ideology called that actually is. That your brain skips anything you don't expect from this conversation is your own flaw, sorry.

Maybe don’t be so quick to label yourself, let your mind explore without the baggage of assuming what you are a priori.

That's amazing.

[–] jlou@mastodon.social 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Here are a few anarchist and anarchist-adjacent sources to go into specifics about institutions that an anarchist society might have:

The Possibility of Cooperation by Michael Taylor - A critique of Hobbes's argument for the state with modern game theory

https://www.radicalxchange.org/media/blog/plural-money-a-new-currency-design/ - A currency design that encourages mutual aid. Mentions how collective ownership can be achieved without a state.

Ancaps support employment contracts. This is contradictory: https://www.ellerman.org/inalienable-rights-part-i-the-basic-argument/

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Thank you, this is exactly what I dream of getting when engaging in arguments over anarchism in the Web.