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“(With) today’s Supreme Court decision on presidential immunity, that fundamentally changed. For all practical purposes, there are virtually no limits on what the president can do. It’s a fundamentally new principle and it’s a dangerous precedent because the power of the office will no longer be constrained by the law even including the supreme court of the United States.”

Throughout his address, Biden underscored the gravity of the moment, emphasizing that the only barrier to the president’s authority now lies in the personal restraint of the officeholder. He warned vehemently against the prospect of Trump returning to power, painting a stark picture of the dangers such an outcome could pose.

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[–] ExFed@lemm.ee 31 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Yes, because he actually cares about what the Constitution stands for, not just some adversarial power game. Claim the paradox of tolerance all you want, but fighting fire with fire here is just participating in the same race to the bottom that's destroying our democracy here in the USA.

[–] Land_Strider@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Preemptive strikes exist. Law does not need to apply after the fact if the law is allowed preventive measures.

And arguing about if one should take such a preventive strike, yes they should since the perp has already declared threatening intentions to cause immediate harm.

[–] flicker@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

The people arguing against using this new power because using it now makes you just as bad as "them," are the dog-sitting-in-a-room-on-fire meme.

"Using the fire ax is just as evil as destroying the house yourself! Get fucked. We caught the Republicans smoking. Make them smoke the whole pack.

[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Biden has moved worker rights and more forwards, what's your point?

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Like when he broke up the rail union strike shortly before that horrible train crash in Ohio that unleashed toxic black clouds over the town?

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You mean when the rail union got what they asked for, because all while Trump supported companies against unions,

https://michiganadvance.com/2023/09/27/uaw-president-says-trump-visit-to-non-union-michigan-company-is-a-pathetic-irony/

The rail union thanked the Biden administration for helping getting their demands through,

https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid

"We’re thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement,” Russo said. “Without making a big show of it, Joe Biden and members of his administration in the Transportation and Labor departments have been working continuously to get guaranteed paid sick days for all railroad workers.

“We know that many of our members weren’t happy with our original agreement,” Russo said, “but through it all, we had faith that our friends in the White House and Congress would keep up the pressure on our railroad employers to get us the sick day benefits we deserve. Until we negotiated these new individual agreements with these carriers, an IBEW member who called out sick was not compensated.”

You're forgetting that the goal of unions isn't to strike, it's to protect their member's rights, and they got their rights. Strikes is one means of applying pressure, Biden applied pressure by other means

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If he has practicality no limits what's preventing him from getting the decision undone and making it so that the president could never have such power?

If he has all the power in the world he should also have power to undo that power.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He doesn't have legislative power, that's the difference. He controls the executive branch, so he can direct law enforcement and regulator agencies and more however he wants. But he can't single-handedly restrict his own power in a way the next president can't undo

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

So tell SCOTUS either they reverse it and add that they'll never do it again or they get "executive ordered". If they refuse you "executive order" them, after all that's what they thought wouldn't be illegal. Continue until you get a SCOTUS who won't refuse. If the SCOTUS wants to throw their lives away for their own stupidity, let them.

[–] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 months ago

The constitution has been ripped to shreds, spit on, and set on fire. Any moral high ground is meaningless at this point.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

because he actually cares about what the Constitution stands for

I think you're just projecting your own beliefs onto him. I seriously doubt any politician at this level gives two shits about anything but themselves and their power.

[–] ExFed@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

I think you're just projecting your own beliefs onto him.

That's fair; my statement was pretty strong. But I think we can agree that by comparison Biden cares more about it than his opponent, a known insurrectionist.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

FDR trying to pack the crap out of scotus with liberal judges so all his social reforms would actually go through instead of being struckdown.

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Modern dems cant fathom having gumption. All they have is furrowed brows while the repubs destroy dismantle and overthrow.

Dem brow furrowing will intensify until GOP is the one true ruler.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Alternative take: letting Republicans do whatever they want and not fighting back or taking actions to prevent it, is what is destroying your democracy.

[–] ExFed@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Unless you're willing to claim we're in a civil war, then I'm not willing to call Republicans "the enemy" ... That's that the real enemies of America want of us: to divide and conquer from within.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

The Republicans are literal claiming this is war and treating it as such.

[–] FlaminGoku@reddthat.com 2 points 4 months ago

If he clearly cared, he would get rid of the fucking traitors that are in office, right now.

[–] aniki@lemmings.world 2 points 4 months ago

Only you plebs argue about the constitution while the people in charge treat it like a napkin.