this post was submitted on 29 Jun 2024
180 points (92.1% liked)

World News

39142 readers
2688 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/17423369

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] khaleer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What quote would you use to describe situation where country fighting russian empire starts to use russia' own tactic of feeding battlefield with cannon fodders forced to do so by force? This doesn't matter what are the colours of tyranny above me. I hate them all.

[–] WagyuSneakers@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That's not what's happening at all. Feel free to keep regurgitating Russian propaganda.

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ukraine doing anything bad is Russian Propaganda™

[–] WagyuSneakers@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

No one said that.

Keep lying.

[–] khaleer@sopuli.xyz 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

yeah, people who do not care about country or do not want to die, are totally free to flee away. Men aren't blocked at the border at all.

Do not understand me bad. I was supportive all the time for the Ukraine, but west lost it, Ukraine lost it, all governments felt under russia influence, choosing profit above human lives. And in this situation I do not care about UA corrupted government, if ppl do not care, let them live.

[–] claudiop@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When the likely outcome is death, most people don't want to fight. If people were just allowed to flee to some other country, not only the bully country gets a free and repeatable pass but the neighbouring countries get some immigration crisis which lead to not-so-fun rhetorics.

The Finns were some of the most vigorous defenders in history, but if they just had the option of moving en mass to Sweden, consequence-free, they probably would. If that was to be the case every decade or so, today's Russia would be bigger than the USSR ever was and without any republic whatsoever, only Russians given that everyone else fled. They have quite the history of chomping territory; that's how they got this big to start with.

You probably understand that this wouldn't fly. That the other countries wouldn't allow it to happen anyway. But at the end of the day, you need boots on the ground to do anything about it.

[–] khaleer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

looking at things that happened during this war, Ukraine was able to defense itself and foght back with volounteers and "patriots" or just their own military with help from the west.

So rn their forces are depleted, the west is turning prorussian and is starting to talk about stopping support of ammo and arms to Ukraine.

One of the reasons russians started the war, was their expectation, that countries (fe Poland) wouldn't allow mass migrations of Ukrainians (they tested it before on poish borders, but forgot that polish ppl are fucking racists, and with mostly whiteUA population, ppl had not so big problem with immigration). They (russians) thought by killing civilians they will be able to force UA to surrender. Again, this plan had failed, due to ppl escaping Ukraine succesfully, allowing the volounters to fight for their imaginarry land with orc cannon fodders foghting for their own imaginary land.

Ukraine is losing, ppl across the Europe started rumoring about "forced relocation" of UA imigrants back to ukraine in order to fkrce them to fight in war, the EU, and USA is willing to lose due to capitalism and their own russia influence.

And right now, you want to allow those poor folks to die on the battlefield, bc billionaires from across the EU and USA want to save money, or just directly get even more from russians directly?

yeah, better find more quotes to try to justify this nonsense

[–] claudiop@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

These last year's of fighting were not exclusively done by volunteers and patriots at all.

Source: Gave a place to stay to a men (28yo) dodging the draft, weeks after the war started. He told me that his friends were either hiding in some grandpa house, pretending that they never knew about any draft invite, or straight up ran to some other country (some of them bribing border guards in the process).

These situations happened in 2022, not now. You can probably imagine that this is far from "with volunteers". A lot of these were caught (or didn't hide in the first place) and were sent to some army outpost.