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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/2207898

Did you ever hear the tragedy of WebP The Efficient? I thought not. It’s not a story the GIF gang would tell you. It’s an image legend.

WebP was a new format of pictures, so efficient and so lightweight, it could use modern compression to influence the web pages to actually load faster…

It had such a knowledge of the user's needs that it could even keep transparency and animations from dying.

The power of modern computing is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

It became so widespread… The only thing we had to be afraid of, was people insisting on using formats from the 90's, which eventually, of course, they did.

Unfortunately, we didn't teach the noobs everything we knew about compression, then the noobs killed the format by converting it to PNG and sharing that.

Ironic. We could save the web from being too slow, but not from the users.

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[–] Lexica@sh.itjust.works 90 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The only problem I have with .webp and .webm is that not that many applications support them and need to be converted first.

[–] Droggl@lemmy.sdf.org 36 points 1 year ago

This. Many viewers still dont support it for some reason so despite all technical glory, effectively its often mostly a nuisance. Cmp ogg/vorbis and possibly countless other examples. Adoption is everything for web formats.

[–] Kichae@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No, there's also the problem that they're Google developed formats. I think an increasing number of us want to be done with Google as much as possible, and there are good alternatives that aren't getting the support they need right now to give us that freedom.

[–] CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

I hate Google too, but if they are proper open specification formats and aren't encumbered by patents, why does it matter that Google created them? Open format is open format regardless of its creator.

Do these formats have some DRM capability or other nefarious reason to avoid them or is it just because they were created by someone we don't like?

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand that but we really fucking need to be moving from jpegif. MP3 and MPEG2 were commercial formats too (actually so was jpeg iirc?) and look where they got us. We just really need someone to get the ball rolling to start using newer formats.

[–] gianni@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

JPEG has always been royalty-free. It just supported arithmetic coding, which at the time was patented. Arithmetic coded JPEGs are exceedingly rare & you're unlikely to run into any on the Web.

[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

That's like saying that I don't want to develop using react.js because it was created by Meta.

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why are so many people using image viewers from 1993? Nothing against nostalgia, but...

[–] funnystuff97@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Discord doesn't support webp, that's probably one of the biggest ones.

[–] ryannathans@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Discord profits from big inefficient formats so you buy nitro

[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Lol "buy nitro", ROFL!

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Also Google Voice cannot attach webps. Literally the same company that came up with it. I gotta convert to send memes and photos to my boomer parents still using text for everything.

[–] gianni@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Discord does support WebP.

[–] thekerker@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

For me, it's not image viewers, but websites that take photo uploads. None of them that I've ever used have supported webp, so I always have to convert to png or jpg.

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

At least don't convert photos to png

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

This. What the hell is up with that?

[–] exu@feditown.com 3 points 1 year ago

What applications are those?