Almost all the discourse around episodes 7 and 8 when they were new was "Ray is a woke Mary Sue character", and later "Rose and Finn were just diversity inclusions". Complete with death threats sent to the actors.

Rose and Finn's episode 8 scenes could have cut entirely and you'd immediately have a better movie. That wasn't because they were diversity inclusions, but because it was terrible writing.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The bombing run against the star destroyers being the slowest and least exciting star wars space dogfight is the biggest isolated sin of ep 8 in my opinion.

[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not the total character assassination of Luke?

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That happens across several different scenes of the movie, so not an "isolated" sin, but a very thorough trashing. There's the green milk, the total 180 in his personality for no reason, the attempt to kill his sleeping nephew and probably other things I've forgotten.

While the scene where he fights Kylo looks cool, that happening because "it was a force ghost/projection all along" felt like a litmus test of how much bullshit people were willing to swallow. Sure, the force is basically space magic, but physically clashing sabers one minute and being completely holographic the next? Funnily enough, if the fight was entirely Luke dodging Kylo, that would've worked so much better.