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The longstanding effort to keep extremist forces out of government in Europe is officially over.

For decades, political parties of all kinds joined forces to keep the hard-right far from the levers of power. Today, this strategy — known in France as a cordon sanitaire(or firewall) — is falling apart, as populist and nationalist parties grow in strength across the Continent.

Six EU countries — Italy, Finland, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia and the Czech Republic — have hard-right parties in government. In Sweden, the survival of the executive relies on a confidence and supply agreement with the nationalist Sweden Democrats, the second-largest force in parliament. In the Netherlands, the anti-Islamic firebrand Geert Wilders is on the verge of power, having sealed a historic dealto form the most right-wing government in recent Dutch history.

Meanwhile, hard-right parties are dominating the polls across much of Europe. In France, far-right leader Marine Le Pen’s National Rally is cruising at over 30 percent, far ahead of President Emmanuel Macron’s Renaissance party, according to POLITICO’s Poll of Polls. Across the Rhine, Alternative for Germany, a party under police surveillance for its extremist views, is polling second, head-to-head with the Social Democrats.

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[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Lots of places have immigration. What would make it more upsetting to the French than others?

Also, I don't think pride alone is enough explanation. Pride in ones culture is also very common pretty much everywhere.

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

French culture has a long and bloody history specifically centered around getting rid of religious rule (read christianity), and implementing laws that essentially amount to freedom from religion. This is unlike a lot of other countries which focused on freedom of religion.

When large muslim communities form, this often leads to the imposition of their religious expressions upon others. This specifically clashes with French culture, where religion is a private matter, for private spaces. Hence why many french react strongly when muslims complain about how the very laws they relied on to rid themselves of the yoke of Christianity is somehow specifically discriminatory against them.

No, it's not discriminatory against islam or muslims in particular. It's a defence mechanism against the imposition of regressive, anti-humanist values on the general population by organized religion.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe human beings are just humans beings. You don't have to go back to what some writer 400 years ago to put racism in context.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I like a little deeper explanation of my whys. Racism is pretty well understood, but it is not present equally everywhere. That said, 400 year old writings are probably not necessary.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

but it is not present equally everywhere.

The French are basically as racist as everyone else so not really seeing what is so mystifing about this.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you think everyone everywhere is racist you just need to travel more. Regardless, the far right is stronger in France than it is just across the channel in Britain, based on voting. Why might that be?

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hmm pretty sure I have been to Germany, Canada, and Thailand within the past 8 months or so. Let me check my passport that is running out of pages for stamps. Yeah seems like I have. In fact it seems like I have traveled abroad quite a few times to quite a few countries for multiple years.

Damn. The Middle East, Latin America, over 40 states, multiple provinces of Canada. I do seem to get around.

Sorry you were lecturing me on your worldly travels. Do continue.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wow, claims from someone online, neat. And you found a bunch of racism everywhere? Sure.

Regardless, didn't mean to offend you. The question remains, why, based on the voting, does the far right seem stronger in France than it is in other places that have similar challenges?

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Call me a liar or don't. None of this fucking weasel shit

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I very clearly just did, sorry if it was a little subtle. You know we're on the internet, right? Do you just believe everyone on here? That'll really fuck your head up.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Why ask the opinion of a person you consider a liar? Enjoy the block list btw

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Sorry for offending you, but it's common sense to not trust random people on the internet. This does not mean their opinions never matter, but claims made by random internet people should not be trusted without evidence.