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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

that won't happen. technological advancement doesn't allow you to work less, it allowa you to work less for the same output. so you work the same hours but the expected output changes, and your productivity goes up while your wages stay the same.

[–] JamesFire@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

technological advancement doesn’t allow you to work less,

It literally has (When forced by unions). How do you think we got the 40-hr workweek?

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] JamesFire@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In response to better technology that reduced the need for work hours.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

no, in response to human beings needing rest. the need for work hours was drastically reduced since, but nothing changed. corporations don't care, they just want you to work until you die, no matter how much you contribute none of them is gonna say "you know what, that's enough, maybe you should work less". wage theft keeps getting worse.

[–] JamesFire@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but that's not because technology doesn't reduce the need for working hours, which is what I argued against.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

no? no one argued tech doesn't reduce the need for working hours. read it again.

[–] mriormro@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That wasn't technology. It was the literal spilling of blood of workers and organizers fighting and dying for those rights.

[–] JamesFire@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And you think they just did it because?

They obviously thought they deserved it, because... technology reduced the need for work hours, perhaps?

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

no, they deserve it regardless.

[–] JamesFire@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Which has nothing to do with whether technology reduces the need for working hours, which is what I was arguing.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How do you think we got the 40hr work week?

[–] JamesFire@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Unions fought for it after seeing the obvious effects of better technology reducing the need for work hours.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Stop after your first 4 words and you'd be correct but all your other words are just your imagination and you trying to rationalize what you've already said.

[–] JamesFire@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Obviously I'm trying to rationalize what I already said, that's how an argument works.

I am arguing that better technology reduces the need for working hours.

That's it.