Who are you asking? If you're asking me, I'd say the 1947 partition plan. Or at least the West Bank borders from 1967 with the Gaza Strip + extended border with Egypt from the 1947 plan.

I mean, the ideal would be for a peaceful one state solution where neither side is privileged. Maybe even, at least temporarily, a Northern Ireland–style situation where any government is required to have representation of both groups. Because religious ethnostates fucking suck. But Israel has made it painfully clear that they have zero interest in that; they really quite like their apartheid.

[–] sqgl@beehaw.org 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Penny Wong has already called for such a two state solution. What was the point of this motion?

I was asking what were Greens proposing? I know many of their constituents chant "from the river to the sea".

I recall that when Labor first rejected the call for a ceasefire and Greens walked out of Parliament. The document Greens were expecting Labor to sign contained no acknowledgement that the October 7 massacre even happened (let alone condemning it).

A few weeks later the document was amended and Labor signed on.

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 3 points 5 months ago

I was asking what were Greens proposing?

The movement was only to recognise Palestinian statehood, not to define its borders.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Penny Wong has already called for such a two state solution

Well then why hasn't she actually recognised Palestine, like 146 out of 193 other countries already have?

[–] sqgl@beehaw.org 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You still haven't told me what the borders of that Palestine are.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You haven't told me why you care. Do you not think Palestine should be recognised as an independent country?

[–] sqgl@beehaw.org 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Because I imagine a state needs to be defined physically before it can be recognised. It seems you don't care enough to track down the statement parliament was asked to sign.

Labor are focused on the hard yards of a 2SS, Greens are trolling with theatre. In fact Greens may not even support a 2SS because it goes against the call of "from the river to the sea".

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It seems you don't care enough to track down the statement parliament was asked to sign.

I saw the statement before I ever saw the result of the vote. It's excruciatingly simple.

This House recognise the State of Palestine.

It couldn't be more simple.

Labor doesn't support it because they support Israel and the genocide Israel is perpetuating. Or to be more accurate, they're accepting of genocide as long as it doesn't upset America. There's nothing more to it.

The idea that Labor is putting in any sort of "hard yards" is utterly laughable, considering they're selling weapons to and buying them from the perpetrators of genocide.

[–] sqgl@beehaw.org 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

That is simpleton level of simplicity.

Penny Wong went to the region pushing the 2SS. That is about 15 million yards.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Words are worth nothing compared to action. With a stroke of a pen she could recognise the Palestinian state. With little more effort than that, the Government could cease selling or buying weapons from Israel. Not doing so is a deliberate choice to signal support for Israel.

If you're going to continue defending genocide, I'm done here. I won't put up with that shit.

[–] sqgl@beehaw.org 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It isn't "action" to recognize a borderless state. Or are we talking about recognizing a government? A dictatorial, bigoted, homophobic, sexist, racist government in the form of Hamas.

Supplying weapons at this point I believe to be unethical because the invasion of Rafah is futile except as an excuse for ethnic cleansing. The same kind of cleansing that Hamas have been hell-bent on for decades. I am not in favor of either.

Israel isn't committing "genocide" though. That is not what the UN called it and for good reason.

lsrael could kill every Palestinian if they wanted to but choose not to.

Hamas wants to kill every Jewish Israeli but cannot.