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Senate Democrats to force second vote on border bill that Republicans blocked
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 23 May 2024
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You'll have to excuse my ignorance here but my understanding was that Democrats could force something through the senate with the VP as the deciding vote? Has something changed in the meantime or am I recalling incorrectly?
I believe they need a supermajority of 60 to force a vote through the House. The VP can vote only as a tie-breaker in the Senate.
This is correct. The 60 vote threshold is to break a filibuster. Filibusters having become steadily more common since they changed the procedures for them that removed the requirement for a filibustering Senator to actually stand up and talk the whole time, which put a functional, biological cap on the potential duration of a filibuster. That cap no longer exists. This is sometimes called a "no-talk filibuster".
When the fuck did that happen? That’s part of the point of a filibuster… does dude man (or dudette woman) have the fucking stones to see it through? Do they have the conviction of purpose in opposition to the motion to do what it takes to prevent it?
Looks like 1975.
Seems it was an inadvertent result from a rule designed to allow the Senate to pursue other business during a filibuster, so it wouldn't hold up all Senate business.
Here's a couple links, and there's also a long wikipedia article on it.
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/filibustering-in-the-modern-senate https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/filibuster-explained
Wow… so my entire life. Appreciate the info.
Perfect. Thank you!