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References for renting? What sort of dystopia is that? I've never heard of that concept, luckily.
It's common in Germany to get a "reference" from your current landlord that basically just says "paid rent on time and didn't set anything on fire".
Huh. Here we have registries for people who habitually don't pay on time, with a cooldown once they're caught up. If you're not in the registry it's assumed that you're good.
Don't worry, we have that registry in Germany as well. And you have to pay to get your own data from them (although a GDPR request works once a year)
See, that seems reasonable.
It doesn't say any more than it has to.
It is? I'm german and I've rented my entire life and never got anything like it nor needed anything like it to rent.
I had to present such slips several times.
But I'm living in a city where the queues for apartments is 50 people long.
What country are you in? I thought landlord reference is the norm.
not a thing i've ever heard of in sweden, either apartments are just expensive or you need to sign up for a waiting list and maintain your spot for like 7 years until you have the queue points needed for the apartment you want to rent
What? Seven years for an apartment? I know people that buy and sell their homes more often than that.
it's usually not that extreme, but that's how it is in the large cities.
More normal for an average city is probably like 3 years waiting, you're expected to sign up before you have any intentions of moving out from your parents.
That's wild.
it's usually not that extreme, but that's how it is in the large cities.
More normal for an average city is probably like 3 years waiting, you're expected to sign up before you have any intentions of moving out from your parents.
Never heard about it in Norway
I'm a Swede living in Denmark. Not a thing in Scandinavia, apparently.
Never heard of it in Croatia.
doesnt croatia have a really low percentage of people who live in rent (as opposed to owing the property or living with relatives eho own it)
I don't know the stats, but doesn't sound wrong.
Not here (Switzerland) either.
not in finland at least. never heard of that stuff
One apartment I lived in was rented out by a private landlord, and there we had the option to write a personal letter/application which would allow us to skip the queue if we matched what they were looking for. We had just become a family of three and they wanted more families with children so we were approved. That was completely voluntary though. In honesty, I think it's kind of weird that we could jump the queue but we were no longer allowed to live in my student apartment so we jumped on it.
The problem with power imbalances is that they allow enforcing "completely voluntary" practices.
I know. That's why I said it's a bit weird that we could skip the queue. On the other hand, the fact that decades long queue times are necessary instead of more, affordable housing being built is also a problem.
One apartment you lived in? Or the only apartment youve lived in?
One of four. The rest have been queues or first come, first served.
I’ve definitely never heard of it in Uranus.
Columbus Ohio, Louisville Ky, and Deerfield Beach Fl lol
I'm having to do that now. Three years prior renting needs to be accounted for. I left on very bad terms with my previous landlord but I had to give the information over because it showed up on my history check and they refused to let my application be complete without it. So we'll see wtf is gonna happen...
That's sad. There could be so many reasons for disagreements. As long as you paid you shouldn't be forced to do this. Best of luck.
Disagreement is a light way of putting it. 😅
It went full-on, lawyers-involved horseshit from her freaking out about trivial shit. So it's a guarantee that her response to any inquiry will be negative. Fun!
Thanks for the kind words, I should find out later today whether she's blocked me from getting a place.
I had a disagreement with my previous landlord. He included power in the rent (not uncommon here) and I have a home lab.
He was not happy with the electrical bill and accused me of mining Bitcoin.
Sir, this hardware is from 2010, and couldn't possibly mine a single Bitcoin in the time it has remaining to run before it dies.
He threatened to evict me, I took his eviction threat documentation to a lawyer who basically told me that "this is not sufficient grounds to evict" (more or less he just laughed at how dumb it was), and I promptly ignored it. Moved out when my lease was up. There were a ton of other problems I won't get into. When he showed it to new potential renters some showed up before the agent who was showing the place and we gave them a warning about the landlord. I'm sure someone rented it eventually, but hopefully we saved a couple of people from going through all that.
I actually like the idea of landlords covering electricity or at least a portion of it. It incentives them to install things like heat pumps which have a high up front cost but long term savings. If they aren't sweating the long term loss then why would they upgrade?
Most places here pay for heating, not cooling. Heating is usually natural gas or similar, cooling by AC is up to the tenant, and there's usually a premium in the summer paid to run AC when electricity is included.
Heat pumps are for heating too, not just cooling.
Oh. I know. I'm just saying that since it heats and cools, it's not a priority.
Where I am there's no legal requirement to provide AC to tenants, so whatever heating system is cheap, that's what landlords will install. Natural gas is usually cheaper per unit of heat output than anything based on electricity, mainly in up front costs. A forced air furnace with no AC which is heated by natural gas is so common and therefore ridiculously cheap by comparison. For larger apartment systems, it's usually a central boiler that heats dozens of units. It's difficult and certainly not cheaper to cool the same amount of space.
Electricity being included is usually for smaller rentals, like rental homes or multi-rental properties, which haven't been outfitted with the required energy meters to individually separate electricity per rental, so, because doing that would require rewiring the property and adding several new service panels/electrical meters, which would easily be thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars (maybe more), most smaller landlords just don't bother. Since they can't differentiate power usage between tenants, they just charge a bit more and include it in the rent.
That was my situation.
I moved to a larger apartment building, that was built from the ground up to be exactly that, and each unit had its own power meter and service panel. I paid my own electricity there. Heat was brought in from a boiler, but air conditioning was up to the renter. No HVAC system was built into the unit. Newer apartment builds and especially condos here can have air handlers installed per unit (though, not always), which may or may not have AC.
It's very hit and miss, but the vast majority of portable AC sales is to renters, since they don't have another option if they want to stay cool.
Presently, I live in a house (we're not renting it), and this house has central AC. I'm planning to move to a heat pump eventually, and hopefully also install solar to offset electricity costs around the same time; probably in a few years when the roofing needs to be redone. Once the roofing is done, install solar, and then, hopefully in the same project, upgrade the forced air furnace to a heat pump system. Right now it's natural gas. I'm not keen on that.