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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Hey a half a loaf. Its Zenos paradox of legalization. With progress like this, in another 40 years we'll be another halfway there to legalization.

[–] Lukewarm_Tea@lemm.ee 29 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It will at least open up research for cannabis drug development into FDA approved products.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It also basically will legalize Medical cannabis federally. This could lead to many other benefits. Get a medical card, it's legit with the state and the feds, then there shouldn't be any grounds for drug tests to affect your employment.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

The big thing is federal contracts.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That all depends on when Democrats get congressional majority. Congress is responsible for legislative decriminalization.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3617

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You make the assumption that Democrats (the politicians, not the voters) actually see this as a legislative priority.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Kamala has been treating it as priority, and speaking in favor of it every chance she gets. The bill was co-sponsored by 114 Democrats.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3617/cosponsors

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 5 months ago

Which party voted for all the state level legalization efforts?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

For people like me who use it medicinally, this is a huge win.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Society is like a big vehicle. It takes time to change its course. Calm down.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Calm down.

The world doesn't actually improve in fits an starts. Incrementalism is a fallacy. The world improves in large sweeping movements that are eventually ground backwards. We make major improvement through bold action, not trivial improvements.

I have no obligation to support a muted political movement incapable of accomplishing its purported objectives.

US Democrats could have done this a decade ago. They could have codified abortion rights. They could have made so many things a priority: they choose not to. I owe nothing to a failed approach to politics.

[–] donuts@kbin.social 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Ok, so... What big, sweeping things are YOU doing to make society better? Where's your list of accomplishments?

The Democrats don't have a perfect track record, not even close. But being part of the online peanut gallery of whiners doesn't get us anywhere. I'm so tired of people who are all commentary and no action, people who aren't going to be part of progress (big or small) are part of the problem no matter how smug you act about it.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

US Democrats could have done this a decade ago. They could have codified abortion rights. They could have made so many things a priority: they choose not to. I owe nothing to a failed approach to politics.

I must correct you there. There is a theory that says that politics has to fulfill the will of its average voter. It can not lean further left than that. Otherwise it looses voters on the righter side.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What you have is a convenient and wrong interpretation of how politics work.

Its interesting that when its a step in the authoritarian or right-wing direction, its always possible. When its a step towards humanism or the left, its never possible or only ever an epsilon of progress.

Why do you think that is?

The fallacy thats baked into your thinking that causes you to make this mistake is shown by this assumption you make:

Otherwise it looses voters on the righter side.

The idea that voters exist along a symmetrical distribution is the mistake you are making. People are not randomly coming up with their beliefs and there is no reason you should assume it would follow a gaussian.

Its a persistent and wrong assumption, that resulted in the kind of demonstrated impotence of the American Democrats.

Interestingly, the American Right wing doesn't share that belief around real-politik. And because they don't make this wrong assumption, their voters actually get the policy decisions they want into law.

Its interesting that when its a step in the authoritarian or right-wing direction, its always possible. When its a step towards humanism or the left, its never possible or only ever an epsilon of progress.

Why do you think that is?

Because people are, in fact, pretty right-wing authoritarian.

The idea that voters exist along a symmetrical distribution is the mistake you are making. People are not randomly coming up with their beliefs and there is no reason you should assume it would follow a gaussian.

I never said that it was a symmetrical or normal distribution. I am well aware that it is not. But it is still a distribution.

And people do come up with their own beliefs. It's not as if you can just tell them what to believe. People's will comes first, parties and their ideas come second.