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[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Genuinely curious about this because I had always assumed those were the same thing.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Non-binary people don't fit neatly into the gender binary but might still associate with a gender, agender people meanwhile have no gender. Someone can be both or either one (I'm personally both).

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

This is firmly in the realm of semantic definition that most people don't need to know IMO, definitely not in casual conversation. Like the precise botanical definition of a nut, 'true crabs' vs other kinds of crabs, and other such specialised definitions in various fields of study. For everyday discussion, broad labels are fine. Non-binary, agender, gender-fluid and maybe more that I'm ignorant of can all kinda be used interchangeably in most contexts and I think there's nothing disrespectful in that. Expecting more is expecting too much.

If talking with one's therapist about it or in circles where this is a main topic of discussion, yeah precise terms are useful, but outside of that it's fine to mix them up.

I just felt this needed to be said. I'm absolutely in favour of people like you chiming in with the definition though, in the right context like here.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They all mean very different things, using non binary and agender interchangeably is one thing but using non binary and genderfluid interchangeably is completely different

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 5 months ago

Maybe it's wrong, but do you think everyone in the world should know this? Though fwiw I don't think gender-fluid is (or should be) used as a generic term for the others, the others feel more generic. I just wouldn't think it comes from disrespect if someone does.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Wouldn't gender-fluid also fall under the NB "umbrella"?

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Gender-fluid is more like a superposition on the binary. You can collapse the wave function and take a measurement but a split-second later it could be different.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 5 months ago

Ok. That makes sense to me. Thank you!

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 months ago

Not necessarily

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

aaaaaaaaaaah that make sense TY :D