I'm just disappointed with people pretending to be against genocide while bothsidesing an overtly racist fragile demagogue who did a putsch. It's very clear which direction that party is headed.

[–] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 7 months ago

The ones that get me are the ones that talk about voting 3rd party. A lot of them seem to understand that the 3rd party is not going to win and that their best case scenario is... I guess "Next time they'll listen to us and we'll get a real leftist?" So... Your solution to the genocide is wait 4 years to get someone who will directly end it? Bestie, I don't think Gaza will be around in 4 years. Even if you discount Trump's stated desire to be a dictator and Project 2025.

Or, what happens by the way if Biden wins in spite of them voting 3rd party? Surely it doesn't mean that they've directly proven to the Democrats that they literally don't need that voting bloc?

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

just let the us greens overthrow.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

You got around 1% of the vote in 2016 up against two of the most hated people on the planet. Unfortunately a third party won't be anywhere near the executive branch unless the voting system is changed.

[–] Ranger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you're choice is continually between a corrupt carrier politician & a literal facist you don't really have a functional democracy. I would suggest you go learn how to use a tourniquet/pressure bandage & a rifle.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 months ago

We haven't had a functioning democracy since the 19th century.

There's argument to be made we didn't have a functioning democracy when the Constitution was ratified in 1789, since segments of it were clearly written in bad faith (like the electoral college, the 3/5s of all non-free persons clause, and arguably, the failure to offer suffrage to all persons including women), but Boss Tweed in 1852 already understood how to game the elections so that only approved candidates might make it to primaries (of New York State elections and Federal elections).

In the aughts (the 2000s), Oxford University did a study regarding elections, public interests and elite interests, and determined the US behaved more like an oligarchy than a democratic republic, so yeah, we're a plutocracy with some democratic features. However those democratic features, while meager, keep the US from turning into a single-party autocracy like the German Reich or the late-stage USSR.

And we're moving towards that autocracy, propped up by fascist ideology (with enemy within rhetoric, and purge actions to follow) with every year. The next time the Republican takes control of all three federal branches of government, the game is very likely up.

The US is also on the brink of civil war, and it may be sparked by Trump losing, depending on how large and coordinated the coup d'etat effort is at the time, or if Trump wins, by an attack against those resisting draconian policies.