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World Bank’s climate plan: Pricier red meat and dairy, cheaper chicken and veggies (www.politico.eu)

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“We have to stop destroying the planet as we feed ourselves,” a World Bank official said, as red meat and dairy drive CO2 emissions.

Cows and milk are out, chicken and broccoli are in — if the World Bank has its way, that is.

In a new paper, the international financial lender suggests repurposing the billions rich countries spend to boost CO2-rich products like red meat and dairy for more climate-friendly options like poultry, fruits and vegetables. It's one of the most cost-effective ways to save the planet from climate change, the bank argues.

The politically touchy recommendation — sure to make certain conservatives and European countries apoplectic — is one of several suggestions the World Bank offers to cut climate-harming pollution from the agricultural and food sectors, which are responsible for nearly a third of global greenhouse gas emissions.

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The paper comes at a diplomatically strategic moment, as countries signed on to the Paris Agreement — the global pact calling to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius — prepare to update their climate plans by late 2025.

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[–] SanndyTheManndy@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No subsidies for anything actively harming the environment.

[+] NickwithaC@lemmy.world -11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

So no subsidies at all then.

Even wind and solar are detrimental to the areas of land queried for the elements to make them.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 13 points 6 months ago

They are replacing much worse systems

[–] SanndyTheManndy@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The net harm to the environment is lower because of them.

[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Net harm is not what you said though.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago

Wow, you sure are a Technical Genius

What if I told you that television shows were dangerous? It's true. In the year 2000, four out of every five injuries occurred in a home that owned a VHS copy of Robocop III. Someone might say, "That's compelling Robocorrelation, but that data alone does not suggest Robocausation." Fine. But maybe your first instinct was to say, "Robocop III is a movie, not a TV show, you fucking dumbass." If so, then congratulations, idiot, you're a Technical Genius. You're smart enough to spot a technicality, but too dumb to know everyone else did too and it was light years away from the point. You're the kind of person who tells your doctor, "Um, it's Chief Chirpa?" when he tells you that getting the Wicket doll out of your asshole will require surgery. "And, um," you'll add, "it's an action figure? Maybe you should have gone to a non-stupid medical school."

https://www.cracked.com/blog/the-5-stupidest-people-planet-are-all-donald-trump

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

I would think that's implied. Almost every activity where you're creating something can be considered harmful because you can't create something from nothing.

If we take the stance that we should consider harm in absolute, then whatever support you might be getting should be cut off because we individually are the most harmful being on the planet. It wouldn't matter if you cut yourself off from society, build a little cottage in the woods and live a frugal lifestyle, the absolute harm is still many times higher than any other non-human living being on the planet could have. The good it would do doesn't matter because we're only looking at harm.

In what way does it benefit the discussion to talk about harm in absolute? Because from my perspective it has no benefits, it just comes across as a contrarian copout.