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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Saying “yea but it has to be done right” is such a load of wasted time and energy that you may as well not bother at all. You think people aren’t going to try to get it right? These aren’t the people you need to convince, they know this already.

I’m also curious as what “a lot” of these actually means because most of them don’t apply to poorer people in the slightest. The only ones I can think of are carbon taxes and weight taxes but:

  • carbon taxes often have a rebate that either covers or exceeds an individual’s costs but hits the extreme users like companies with fleets.
  • poor people buying large expensive vehicles really doesn’t make a lot of sense, now does it? It can happen at point of purchase, at least for a little bit, to both not be suddenly dumped on people AND encourage people to keep their cars for longer instead of swapping them out too regularly.

You’re not saying anything except, especially without any sort of explanation, that you don’t have a firm enough grasp of the situation to be making comments.

Universal speed limiters ARE a waste of time, of course, when we can just build our roads right to naturally slow people.

Trams on every streets would be a tremendous waste of money as well, but a fairly dense network would be pretty feasible.

We also don’t actually need bike lanes on every street, just on streets busy and fast enough to warrant separating the traffic.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The only thing I can think of is that land value tax actually will just get passed to renters, and anyone just barely owning their home is gonna be fucked if another price jump like what's going on now happens. But that, too, can be fixed.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

That's actually the neat thing about land value taxes; both in economic theory and observed practice, they can't be passed on to tenants.

It would absolutely be a boon for the poor if we replaced other forms of taxation (such as on sales and income) with land value taxes. Plus, land value taxes tend to make housing cheaper, which helps the poor as well.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Well hot damn what are we waiting for? Where do I sign?