Dialectical Materialism. Right now, they are. You either work towards communism or capitalism moves towards consolidation of capital. Those are your choices.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

also there are more than 1 proposed way to achieve communism, even though i tend to favor socialism.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago

Imma be real, chief, I don't think DiaMat is going to work on Non-marxists, even if I agree.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago (13 children)

there's capitalism and its variants (the current system), and there is anti-capitalism in various flavours. (socdem, ML, anarchism)

you can choose your favorite flavour, but its either moving towards capitalism, or moving away from it.

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[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

Yes. It’s just those are the two mentioned, and I’m slightly communist. So there’s some bias.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We did that already. We could do it again.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

thats not a mix though, it was just a bandaid over capitalism, borrowed from socialistic ideas. the capital accumulating class was never extinguished, eventually leading to the same problems today all over again.

hence why we advocate for a systemic change, if you can't accumulate capital, you can't buy back the system again like it is rn. this is pretty much the crux of the issue here.

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[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

As usual the best answer lies somewhere between the two extremes

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

we tried that before though, improving things temporarily, but it will never be permanent until we extinguish the owner class.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The trick is not falling for the lie that social democracy is meeting socialism in the middle.

Social Democracy is just liberalism with enlightened self interest. Is it better than other capitalists models?

Sure. That doesn't make it the end goal.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago

you put it in better words than i did.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

Yes, we must have a middle ground between having parasites and not having parasites. Thank you enlightened centrist.

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