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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Mildly communist government fucked their economy. Corruption ate the state oil company from within.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Communism was the ideological proposal to justify authoritarian power. The political measures themselves weren't communist at all. They seized the means of production… then accumulated those means in the hands of a small group of people who supported the ruling party to stay in power.

[–] ganksy@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Isn't that what happens every single time?

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

And not even, like, smart communists. The kind that think printing more money to pay for stuff is no big deal.

[–] whereisk@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But MMT says I can (probably misrepresenting it severely, that's what I've been given to understand by internet comments)

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago

MMT says you can get away with spending slightly more than you take in. The logic is that if you can print it you're not going to run out, per se, and a small amount of inflation is thought to be good anyway. I'm not qualified to comment on how correct that is, but it's true most countries accumulate debt over time, and nobody in finance cares until it's multiple times the annual GDP.

If you're straight up pretending that making more money gives you more stuff, your green paper is just going to lose the fight with reality. Places like Venezuala or Zimbabwe, instead of taking the hint early on, double down, and that's how you get 100 trillion dollar bills after a while.

[–] asmodeus@programming.dev -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You're implying there's smart communists to begin with

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I mean, the USSR didn't have hyperinflation until they were trying to redo the recipe at the end. "Money is real, and making more will help" is honestly a weird line of reasoning for people who hate "capitalism".

Depending on how you define smart, sure, there's been smart ones. At this point there's an accumulation of evidence markets work better than the Soviet system of markets+random constant intervention, but that wasn't always the case, and even now there's people who are smart but have Ben Carson syndrome, and think because they're good at their field they understand economics, and can quantify it's limitations with no research.

By some people's standards I'm a communist, too, since capitalism is poorly defined, and communism is often just defined as the opposite of it.

[–] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago

Vietnam is doing pretty well actually.