Photo of a persons' torso wearing a t-shirt that says: maybe a bunch of white slave owners from the 1700's did not come up with the best government ever
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I think that would allow a "better" democracy in paper, but not much would change. Using my country as an example:
Candidats are still shit, evil persons that only care about using the government to enrich themselves (and have a history of doing so), most of the population are so bad educated that they only need to hear a few promises to vote for them.
Not implemented. Would be specially nice for the fragmentation.
We only have congress. Still corrupt, still holds most of the power, uses it to gain money through laws that benefit them and their businesses. It is very fragmented, but it doesn't matter, because they join when they need to pass a law that benefits them. Leaders of the political parties decide which laws to pass, and tell the congresspeople how to vote. If someone does't vote as they are told, they are removed from congress.
And to get to congress you have to bribe a lot of money to a lot of people, so no one would self destruct after getting in debt before realizing some earnings.
Supreme court justices are not permanent, last only 5 years, no reelections, appointed by congress. So what? Just do the things that need to be done during your 5 years. After that the new congress will place new puppets. If a major scandal is revealed, you'll be protected by congress, allowed to leave the country with all your money, and forgotten in a few years.
Bribes are illegal, lobbying is illegal. We did it Patrick! Bribery is no more! You can just get money off the table. However, here the opposite is argued. Congresspeople and the president should have the highest salaries, so that they wouldn't have incentives to take bribes (they earn so much, why risk it to get more). But even if they were
... but if even if they were to earn minimum wage, they can just, you know, take bribes? Just don't tell anyone about it. Or pass laws that benefit them.
Thanks... now I have no hope for humanity...