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Is it really a strawman? The "resistance" were the ones who did October 7th, and the ones who shot up the music festival. I don't think there's any way to defend a group that does that, other than trying to argue it was somehow justified.
So what about before Oct 7th what about the hundreds of dead Palestinians in the last year in the West Bank? What about the 2014 massacres in Gaza? 2006? Is that also because of Oct 7th?
Get lost apartheid apologist.
That doesn’t make killing or kidnapping innocents right.
Both sides of this are bad people and the only good ones are the innocents caught in the middle
One side is a genocidal apartheid state. The other is the recipient of that. And you, a very smart person, think it's ok to both side this issue and criticise oppressed people's meager means of resistance. That makes you an apartheid apologist. You're the same type of person who called Mandela a terrorist, but probably praises him now. You're on the wrong side of history.
Am I? I feel safe just going with fuck hummus and fuck Israel.
Good people don’t attack music festivals and kill innocents that have nothing to do with it.
Good people also don’t demolish cities and kill innocents that have nothing to do with the fight.
Only one group is demolishing cities here.
You sound like someone who would have told the Jews in the Warsaw ghettos that you can't agree with their methods when they took up arms and that because they did it's reasonable for the Nazis to eradicate them.
Yeah the Israelis are demolishing cities and killing innocents.
Hummus attacked innocents and kidnapped CHILDREN.
They could have turned around and released them the next day and said something like “ They got dragged along in the moment, we recognize that these children are innocent and would like to return them because we are fighting back against oppression, not children.” and I personally would have a shit ton more respect, they should have gave back the old people too, but at least they are adults.
Israel’s response and previous action one are without justification, so is kidnapping toddlers.
So yeah, both are bad.
Well, I'm not there, but if I was Hamas I would never kill any children.
I saw another day some signs written "kidnapped" put by some Jewish people and first I thought "it's Zionist propaganda", but when I got near and I saw children I felt so so so sorry. I cannot Imagine any parent deserve this, be it Palestinian or Israeli.
I cannot do anything bad to children.
There's an interview with Palestinians ok the street about what they think of the 7th October, and many seem to disagree on Hamas for hurting children:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_AR71W6l3M
They have offered to release the hostages MULTIPLE TIMES already.
On what conditions?
Ceasefire.
So why should the release of the children have been predicated upon that?
Because it's literally the only leverage they have? How hard is that to comprehend?
Why won't Israel release the thousands of hostages? Kids as young as 12, held with no trial for years on end in "administrative detention" in military prisons.
Ok. Israel is bad as well.
How does that justify not handing over the kids for free to show that you don’t want kids involved.
The adults are one thing, we can talk about how valid some of them are all day and still have more to talk about.
There is absolutely no valid reason not to immediately remove the children from the horrors of war and hostage taking.
Don’t give me any bullshit about how Israel does it too.
Just because someone is law does something wrong doesn’t make it right for you to do so.
So, I want you to explain to me how it is moral to involve children in this and why CHILDREN should not have been immediately released and why we had to bargain to get the CHILDREN.
I give zero fucks about adults.
I await your reply
I’m still waiting on that explanation on why it is ok for hummus to use children as pawns
Except that Hamas has released the children. As far as we know the only two children still captive are infants, you want them separated from their parents? That does not sound better. You're more concerned about TWO infants than the literal tens of thousands of dead and wounded children.
Now you can stop with your concern trolling. You're only goal here is both siding genocide and apartheid. The apartheid and ethnic cleansing has been ongoing for far longer than Hamas has been around and you know that. We're you vehemently denouncing Israel and asking for the release of the thousands of Palestinian hostages before Oct 7th? I highly doubt it.
Why were they not released immediately?
Why did they have to be traded?
Fuck Hummus and Israel, they are child killing bastards who have decided that they are going to do what they want and damn the consequences to anyone in their way.
Fuck Hummus and israel for involving motherfucking children.
Fuck Hummus and Israel for kidnapping children.
Good enough for you?
My motherfucking comment history is clearly visible and will show how I damn well feel about the Israeli’s
Quit trying to act like Hummus are the good guys here.
There are no good guys on either side of this war and they all just need to fucking stop this bullshit killing and come to the fucking table like adults
No not good enough for me. Again you're the type of person who would have asked people to condemn ZOB in the Warsaw uprising. You're basically tone policing people who are, and have been, actively genocided for decades. Get fucked. No genocide, no hammas, no violence. You don't want it to exist? Then end Zionism, let the people return to their homelands, and pay reparations.
See how that sounds exactly like what Netanyahu, various ministers like Ben-Gvir, members of the Knesset, and media pundits have been saying? Well actually it's a quote from Himmler talking about the Warsaw uprising with the context switched around.
Ok so in your view every action Hamas has taken is legitimate, including the kidnapping of children?
I'm my view it's not worth my time criticizing single actions of desperate people.
How do you feel about Nelson Mandela?
That is not the question I asked.
Do you feel that everything Hamas has done is legitimate?
You don’t get to brush stuff under the rug because it doesn’t help your argument
I'm my view it's not worth my time criticizing individual actions of desperate people. Whether some resistance actions are questionable or not is not of particular importance. Resistance itself is moral, legal, and justifiable. Including armed resistance as reiterated multiple times by UN resolutions.
How do you feel about Nelson Mandela? Why are you ignoring the question?
I don’t know shit about Mandela, other than the fact that half the world thought he died.
I’ll be more direct for you, do you think it is ever okay to kidnap children, and, if so, why and in what situations?
I've been very clear so let me repeat again. I think it's the unfortunate consequence of the escalating violence of the occupation, ethnic cleansing, and apartheid. You don't want oppressed people to commit acts of violence, then don't oppress them.
You're basically asking what is the level of violence that is ok for a someone to use when defending themselves from domestic violence to the point where they fear for their lives.
No I will not condemn Hamas. There were less violent options before, those clearly did not work. I condemn occupation, apartheid, and ethnic cleansing. Self defense is always ok, even if sometimes it's messier than we would like. You can leave now, I've made myself extremely clear. I don't know what the fuck it is that you want other than waste my time.
But before you go, let me as once again, do you condemn ZOB?
Ok person who is fine with people kidnapping children.
Nice strawman.
Do you condemn ZOB?
Did they kidnap any kids?
Notice I have excluded killing kids this whole time.
That I do believe could happen on accident at least, in fact, I change my comment.
Did they intentionally kidnap any kids, if so, did they ransom them, or return them for free?
You don't k ow who ZOB is do you?
Jewish resistance
Get lost, Oct 7th apologist
Do those justify what Hamas did on October 7th? It's possible to criticize both sides when both sides have been repeatedly committing atrocities on each other since 1948.
I believe that without one of the sides stopping and saying they're done and want peace, and the other side being forced to not capitalize on that situation by the international community, that both sides will constantly feel justified in their violence on eachothers civilians.