Bruh, centuries of capitalist exploitation of its citizens and treating them like a disposable commodity would like to have a word on the whole 'citizens killed by their own country' topic.

How many thousands or millions of citizens die yearly because they can't afford to live in this fucked up system?

[–] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So whataboutism really is the only argument for communism lmao

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

"I'm presented with a single argument that refutes this claim, better setup a strawman that this is the only argument available"

Lmao, at least try to sound intelligent

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lmfao nope. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/

[–] Furball@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Asks for link that doesn’t say “hurr durr capitalism bad

Gets a link from Marxists.org

[–] Furball@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I made this comment without looking at the website but WHAT THE HELL IS THIS WEBSITE

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

A phenomenal resource.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Lmfao not at all, the dude literally said whataboutisms are the only arguments for Communism, so i linked him a copy of Das Kapital. Unfortunately you clearly lack the reading comprehension to consume it.

[–] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

None? People don't starve to death in western countries. And where they do the issue is lack of infrastructure. A communist government couldn't conjure the resources needed to build that out of thin air either.

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

None? People don’t starve to death in western countries. And where they do the issue is lack of infrastructure.

"This thing doesn't happen, and when it does, it's not the fault of capitalism itself" is a monumentally stupid argument. Especially when talking about the homeless population, which absolutely does have people that starve.

A communist government couldn’t conjure the resources needed to build that out of thin air either.

And the capitalist economy chose not to build it because it wasn't profitable, or after it was built, it was too expensive to be used.

[–] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I said it doesn't happen in the west, not that it doesn't happen anywhere. Please learn to read.

[–] Perfide@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bullshit it doesn't happen in the west. 12.8% of US households were considered food insecure in 2022, with 5.1% of that being considered to have VERY low food security(Source). Over 20,000 Americans died of malnutrition in 2022, more than double the number in 2018(Source).

There's also nearly 30 vacant homes for every 1 homeless person in the US, so there's plenty of room, too. Nobody needs a 2nd home when over half a million people don't even have one.

[–] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Maybe you should have actually read that article before linking it. It discusses in detail the reasons for malnutrition being an issue, and none of those reasons is being unable to afford food. The problems are typically due to age and diseases.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

I’ve been unable to afford food before, and I didn’t go hungry. People just gave me tons of free food.

[–] Smk@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 year ago

Where is your great communist country ?? Oh wait, it's not there. It doesn't exist and it never will. Capitalism works. Not perfect but it works. Your idealized version of communism is great but so is my idealized version of capitalism where everyone has a shot at the American dream!