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Pardon me for not finding “vulnerable people need to die for my ideology” very convincing. (mbin.grits.dev)

submitted 7 months ago by mozz@mbin.grits.dev to c/whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Honestly, if leftist spaces on the internet weren't so infested with insufferable ML campists, I feel like we could actually move the Overton window a bit more among progressive liberals. Libertarian left ideas are pretty popular when presented in the right context. The thing which turns your average person off is the historical association with autocracy and oppression that MLs cling to for some reason.

I have been pretty vocal about this, but I just run into a sectarian wall over and over again. I wish more like-minded people would spend more time challenging ML orthodoxy and less time bashing liberals. I honestly feel like most liberals aren't nearly as far gone as your average Lenin simp.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I always say, and I'm fairly confident it's true, they're more pro-autocracy than they are pro-leftist. They will defend a dictator when they harm people before they back the people being harmed. That's not leftist. Leftism is on the side of the people being oppressed. They absolutely do more harm than good by making people think being left they have to agree with that group, but they're a very loud minority.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 7 months ago

While I don’t disagree that MLs online cause harm, it would be remiss of me not to point out that the root of the issue is decades of intergenerational indoctrination during the cold war that anything democratically socialist was directly equivalent to autocratic communism. There is a deep, cultural cognitive dissonance that occurs in the US about things like socialised medicine and welfare that I just don’t think tankies online influence as much as you think they do.