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People aren't going to move on. Some of you really live in a bubble when it comes to this stuff. Users complained about ads on Facebook, reddit, Twitter, YouTube and everything else and no matter how many times you guys declare those services dead the reality is that they are still the default for most. Even in the unlikely scenario that a large amount of users do permanently leave, they won't migrate to the privacy respecting service you want them to.
Some are and some aren't. Like a lot of folks on here are here because reddit went to shit.
A minority are, yes. reddit is still massive and continuing to grow while Lemmy participation has fallen off noticeably and continues to decline.
Fediverse Observer says otherwise: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats
Active users have been steady since the Reddit migration, posts and comments per day each dipped but bounced back and currently growing.
I don't think you're reading those stats correctly. MAUs clearly peaked months agp and have begun to trend down as people, move back to reddit. Why? Because, just like will be the case for Discord, communities haven't moved.
Stats aside, I can't help but laugh anytime people suggest Lemmy is dying off or failing. Aussie.zone didn't used to exist, and Lemmy.ml used to have like.. one post a day? And it would be some tankie nonsense like "I'm a Russian living in Ukraine - Russia isn't going to invade Ukraine, it's all Western propaganda"
I'm quite obviously comparing it to the height of the reddit migration, since that is the topic of the thread. MAUs peaked months ago and are trending down now.
Completely false claim if you look at the source in my previous comment. And no, I'm not looking at it wrong. MAU have been going up every month this year.
If you disagree with my assessment, then actually explain how it's wrong. Don't just claim I'm wrong without elaborating.
No...?
Are you only looking at the last 6 months or something? Zoom out to take into account the entire migration from reddit (since that is the topic of this thread). The MAUs peaked last year and the overall trend since has been downward since. Whether they are slightly up over a few recent months is not actually relevant to anything I said, nor does it disprove the claiim that Lemmy is dying.
You ate trying to cherypick statistics here to push a narrative that anyone can clearly see is false if they just compare the height of Lemmy during the migration when it was the supposed "reddit killer" vs what it is today. It is objective fact that it has declined and your own data proves it. The overall trend is downward. You are essentially the equivalent of a climate change denier, pretending there is no temperature increase by zooming right in on the most recent data instead of looking at the bigger and more relevant picture.
Yes, I'm only looking at the last 6 months, because everyone already knew that the Reddit migration was a freak event. There was going to be a big influx of users followed by many of the new users leaving as things stabilize. Because of that, you have to filter out the Reddit migration and following 2-3 months to get a proper view on the trend of Lemmy's userbase numbers. And from that data it's slowly trending upwards, which is a good position to be in.
By the logic you're running off of, I can look at Lemmy's entire history and conclude that it's trending upwards because the MAU started out at 0 and it's currently around 113k. You have to put an appropriate range on data or you end up with nonsense conclusions.
If you actually look at the numbers in my source, the peak MAU after the Reddit migration was 115k, while it's grown back to 113k as of last month. That's less than a 2% difference, with consistent growth over the past 6 months. Not only that, comments have gone up a lot in comparison to MAU, meaning that those users are also growing more active. These are the objectively factual statistics that you're harping on about, and they point to Lemmy being a in good spot growth-wise.
And here is the unprovoked ad-hominem attack. Dude, you're the one who tossed out a false claim with no data to back it up, and took it personally when someone asked you to back up your claims with a source and a decent argument.
But since you've already brought out the mud-slinging, I'll bring my own: you're behaving like the gamers that claim a single-player game is dead and therefore bad simply because the active playerbase has dropped after two months. Grow up.
Well there we go, no wonder we're interpreting the data differently. My original point was that enshittification doesn't actually drive masses of people away to privacy respecting or FOSS projects. The Lemmy data proves this - a minority of people may react in the heat of the moment but over time they will migrate back to the platform that everyone else is using.
Whether or not Lemmy has had a slight uptick in growth over the last couple of months was never the point I was making, and if you'd actually bothered to read my original comment or used your brain and picked up on the context clues then I wouldn't need to clarify this for you.
Except it doesn't. Whole sole people dropped off after 2-3 months, most of the active users stayed here.
You were claiming the Lemmy was dying and hemorrhaging users. That's what I responded to, because the data shows otherwise.
If you make 3 claims in a thread and I refute claim #2, my response isn't invalidated just because I didn't address your other 2 points.
Again, you're over-relying on ad-hominem attacks. If you're going to be like this you may as well go back to Reddut
"Go back to reedit" says the person who doesn't even bother to read the initial comment they reply to. You're the stereotypical redditor. Only interested in bad faith misrepresentation to "win" whatever argument you've started.
Lol, ok. Keep telling yourself that
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