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Polish PM Donald Tusk warns that "literally any scenario is possible" and that Europe entered the pre-war era when Russia invaded Ukraine (www.dw.com)

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"War is no longer a concept from the past. It is real, and it started over two years ago. The most worrying thing at the moment is that literally any scenario is possible. We haven't seen a situation like this since 1945," Tusk said in an interview with the European media grouping LENA on Friday.

"I know it sounds devastating, especially for the younger generation, but we have to get used to the fact that a new era has begun: the pre-war era. I'm not exaggerating; it's becoming clearer every day."

The former European Council president's comments came soon after the two-year anniversary of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The war upended an era of peace in Europe and pushed nations into ramping up weapons production.

Tusk further said that no one in Europe would feel safe if Kyiv lost the war.

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[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 78 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The comparison to the pre-war stage of ww2 is an obvious one to make. The aggressor is invading and Europe is acting like they're not at war, again.

[–] FatLegTed@piefed.social 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Exactly. Further to the 'pre-war' comment, I'd suggest it started when they took Crimea. I think they were warming up with Chechnya and Georgia.

Meanwhile our politicians bicker and squabble about what toilets people should be using.

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Toilets? Can't be real right?

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

https://www.google.com/search?q=trans+bathroom

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

ohhh in this way, I get it now, I thought they were debating on the object, eg mandatories bidet or whatsoever

but yeah it's still quite stupid. Not the subject but why would you separate the toilet by gender in the first place

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Would you be surprised to learn that the answer is sexism?

https://time.com/4337761/history-sex-segregated-bathrooms/

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

interesting reading thanks! Which confirms the stupidity of separated bathrooms

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 months ago

Trump also complains a lot about how many times he needs to flush the toilet. I wish that was a joke.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The aggressor is invading and Europe is acting like they’re not at war, again.

The Phoney War wasn't so much countries pretending that they weren't at war as it was countries preparing for war. The Axis had started arming themselves sooner; the Allies wanted to have enough time to build up.

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

so it's worse now?

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Arguably, yes, because it seems like everyone analogous to the Allies this time around can’t agree on anything and are simultaneously having to deal with a lot of hostile propaganda/manipulation, up to and including quisling politicians in our governments (sometimes entire governments, really) and hostile foreign service agents.

TL;DR: we’ve learned nothing

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

To be fair, back then they didn't have to also contend with hostile propaganda saturating their political discourse like we have on social media.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Instead, Europe initially leaned in to becoming more dependent on the aggressor for natural gas.