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This is not a serious proposal from Israel because it’s suicide to accept.
Giving up your leverage against someone who wants to commit genocide against you… would be suicide.
There can’t be peace until Israel ends apartheid.
For Hamas, yes. For the Palestinian people, no.
Are you trying to suggest that Israel is not doing genocide against the Palestinians?
I don't think Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people. Israel is trying to take out Hamas, but Hamas is using the Palestinian people as human shields.
That is their strategy. Hamas spent 15 years digging in to Gaza, including under hospitals. Then they commit an extremely provocative atrocity, using rape as a weapon of terror, which was guaranteed to rile up the Israelis for war. Just like Osama bin Laden did to the Americans. And then the Hamas leadership flees to Qatar where they can watch the chaos unfold. It's diabolical. But it has been done before.
Israel created Hamas
That's a conspiracy theory.
Nope. The following article is from the famous israeli outlet called Haaretz.
A Brief History of the Netanyahu-Hamas Alliance
[edit: I shorten the quote cause actually this is the wrong article in relation to how Israel helped the creation of Hamas. Please see comment bellow with 3 links for relevant info.]
I don't disagree that Netanyahu and his right wing coalition were complicit with Hamas, and that regime change is needed. I've said that in other comments in this thread.
I push back against the simplistic statement that "Israel created Hamas". It is way more complicated than that. Hamas was founded in 1987 as a splinter group of the Muslim Brotherhood. Also, Hamas was elected by the Palestinian people, not the Israeli government. And, they are part of a wider radical Islamist movement, along with ISIS and the Houthis, that are sponsored by Iran. You could just as well say that Hamas was "created" by Iran.
I also push back because simply saying that Israel "created" Hamas, as if it were Israel's fault alone, implies a lack of agency on the part of Hamas. Even if Netanyahu and his nutty right wing coalition provided some funding for Hamas, it was Hamas itself that carried out the raping and murdering on October 7. They own that atrocity, even if many other actors are complicit in it.
If that was the case you would have said something like:
No, Hamas was funded by Israel, not created.
and not
So please don't try to bs me.
Btw, here are a few more related articles:
EU's Borrell says Israel financed creation of Gaza rulers Hamas - Reuters
For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces - Times of Israel
“Divide and Rule”: How Israel Helped Start Hamas to Weaken Palestinian Hopes for Statehood - Democracy Now
How nice of you to tell me what I should have said to make you believe me. Charming.
I said would, you read should.
Bye-bye now.
I must say that I don't understand why people like yourself always jump to questioning people's motives and honesty rather than engaging directly with the argument. It is basically an ad hominem attack.
The argument started by person A stating a fact and person B claiming it's a conspiracy.
I stepped in and said it's no conspiracy.
Person B says, I didn't mean conspiracy, I meant it's more complicated
I respond to person B if you meant complicated, you would have said something along those lines. Instead you said conspiracy theory.
Calling out bs is not an attack on the person, it's a reflection to what they say.
That is the narrative that the zionists and their colonialists allies propose. It's more appropriate to call it propaganda. It is crucial to believe this because otherwise the mass killing of civilians and children turns into the Genocide that it is.
Check out an Amnesty International article:
Gaza: At EU Foreign Affairs Council, Ministers should call for an immediate ceasefire - 22 January 2024
And an older one from the United Nations article that calls things as they are:
Gaza: UN experts call on international community to prevent genocide against the Palestinian people 16 November 2023