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Israel will stop working with UNRWA in Gaza, official (www.middleeastmonitor.com)

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Israel will stop working with the United Nations Relief Works Agency (UNRWA) in the Gaza Strip, a government spokesperson said yesterday, accusing the aid agency of “perpetuating conflict”, Reuters reported.

Israel has long sought to have UNRWA closed as it is the only UN agency to have a specific mandate to look after the basic needs of Palestinian refugees. If the agency no longer exists, argues Israel, then the refugee issue must no longer exist, and the legitimate right for Palestinian refugees to return to their land will be unnecessary. Israel has denied that right of return since the late 1940s, even though its own membership of the UN was made conditional upon Palestinian refugees being allowed to return to their homes and land.

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[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You use IDF propaganda as your 'facts' to form your opinion on justifying ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Hamas began twenty years into an Occupation enforced with direct and systemic violence, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.

Hamas in its early days, according to former Israeli officials, was seen by the government of Israel as a counterweight to the PLO. Israel supported Hamas as a way to break the PLO's hold on the region. Retired official Avner Cohen, who worked in Gaza in the 1990s and oversaw religious affairs in the region, told the WSJ in 2009, “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation."

And in the backdrop of the 2006 election were geographic and political divides between Gaza and the West Bank. Contrary to what Bennett claimed, Israel restricted Palestinians from moving in and out of Gaza, as well as between the strip and the West Bank, since at least the 1990s, after the first Palestinian Intifada, or uprising, according to Al Jazeera. In addition to Gaza's borders, the Israeli government controlled its coastline and airspace, allowing for military incursions into the territory, and, in 2007, established the blockade on goods and people that still exists as of this writing.

People Claim a Majority of Palestinians in Gaza Elected Hamas — Here's Why It Isn't That Simple

Hamas founding charter and Revised charter 2017

This is a brutal occupation that is an apartheid regime, uses martial law, and military courts, the theft and extortion of water, the exploitation of Palestinians as a workforce without rights, state-backed settler violence, the deprivation of human rights for Palestinians, the destruction of schools, the destruction of hospitals, the destruction of homes, the starvation of children, the execution of women and children, the inhuman torture and abuse of Palestinians and yes even children in Israeli prisons.

[+] JustZ@lemmy.world -11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Hamas is an ideology that's hundreds of years old. It's called Islamism and it's nothing new. It's a far right religious order in search of an empire. And they actually will genocide all the Jews and Christians if they get the chance. Does that even register with you? If Israel wanted to do a genocide it would carpet bomb Gaza into a pile of rocks in about 30 minutes. Instead we are five months in and the daily death tolls keep dropping. The aid keeps flowing. The catastrophic famine that's been imminent for three months hasn't happened. And 1.3 million people evacuated safely to the 30,000 did not. Some genocide that is. It's a fucking insult to everyone that caught actual Nazis, that fought actual genocide. You got tricked by fake news from Al Jazeera.

In Myanmar they were using helicopter gun ships and just stafing crowds of refugees with machine guns. Zero distinction. No excuses given. Just straight murder.

In Gaza the IDF strikes military targets and sometimes gets a little loose with weighing the lives of people who refuse to evacuate versus the military value of their targets, after warning the civilians to evacuate.

Stop citing Al Jazeera articles like a fool. Stop repeating unfounded "reports" by people whose job it is to lie about Israel. Do better with your life. They are actual accomplices to terrorism.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

All your 'opinions' are not based on fact, and are easily debunked. Funny how I didn't even link any Al Jazeera articles, not that their news reporting isn't credible.

It's clear you don't know anything about Hamas, for one they started in 1988.

What Is Hamas? - Council on Foreign Relations

What Does Hamas Actually Want? - NY Mag

Israel was founded on Settler Colonialism and ethnic cleansing, both fundamental to Zionism

The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 culminating to Plan Dalet in 1948, more details here.

Are you talking about these reports?

Amnesty International Report

Human Rights Watch Report

B'TSelem Report with quick Explainer

Year before Oct 7 - Jewish Voice for Peace

Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (South Africa v. Israel) and Summery by the International Court of Justice

Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated

Or maybe these news outlets on whether it's genocide: AP News, Time, Reuters, Vox, CBC

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Dude, stop spamming me with all these bullshit links.I have read all of these articles. I have read the same things that you have read, including South Africa's bullshit complaint to the UN filled with circular reasoning and unattributed sources, and "reports" made by literal terroristd. When an article ends with "these reports could not be verified," it's not persuasive. It's persuasive for you, that's great. Apparently your entire worldview is based on whatever corporate media tells you it should be. All this fake concern you have for genocide you can look to Hamas. Their first goal is genocide, their second goal is a far right Islamic ethnostate in which people who say nice things about representative government or constitutional government get stoned to death in front of everyone.

I'm sorry Hamas made the news so sad for you. They should stop using civilians as shields. I don't care how Israel was founded and nobody alive today should, either. Since it was founded, and for literally centuries before, extreme rightwing pan-Islamists wanted to genocide all the Jews and Christians in the mid east. They want a global Islamic caliphate where one religious dude has absolute rule. They want the Holy Roman empire. It's literal imperialism.

The only reason there is no pan-islamist caliphate today that controls the whole middle east under strict religious policing, is that all the different imamates can't agree on who should be in charge and where the caliphate should be seated.

You can try to gloss over those facts, like the UN special reporter (that's how we spell it where I'm from instead of the French spelling) does, you can gloss over why she is banned from entering Israel. You can gussy this up however you want, but that is the reality of the situation as it has been for hundreds of years.

Guess what? Jews are there. Christians are there. Your strategy is to do what, exactly? Let Hamas run free to do the genocide that they want to have, another century of suicide bombings and mass shootings, because lying Palestinians made the news too sad for younto bear? Maybe you can let them dig tunnels under your house to launch rockets and shootings at your neighbors? Maybe there's a nice coffee shop or concert hall near your house you could help them blow up.

No. Hamas had chance after chance and they blew it. It's a terrorist organization. What terrorists want is irrelevant because of how they've chosen to go about getting it.

They can surrender or die and if they are content to take their families with them, that's all the more reason why they must now be stopped before their anti human rights ideology can spread. I find a lot of the rhetoric coming out of Israel equally disgusting, but whereas the identical rhetoric coming from Nazis all those years ago was based on nothing more than hate and gullibility, Israel is actually surrounded by enemies and has been barraged by tens of thousands of indiscriminate strikes over decades, launched by Hamas. The rhetoric of a few Israeli extremists isn't reason to turn on Israel and forfiet the only democratic foothold in the region. And my belief is this: only a democracy can protect human rights in the long term, a religious zealot whose whims are law cannot do it. You want to talk about human rights in the middle east? Start with abolishing Islamic law.

I'm sad for you that 900,000 people in Gaza have Stockholm Syndrome and instead of either evacuating or joining the fight for human rights, they are content to stick around and have their cities used by terrorists human shields, and spinning listen the whatever media will listen to them.

Ask anyone in Gaza, nobody in Hamas has been killed, no warnings have ever been given before an airstrike, and despite Hamas's own claim of having built 500 km of tunnels, not one building that's been destroyed has had a tunnel underneath it; rather, it's all been "indiscriminate" and "intentional killing of civilians." 🤡

The numbers speak for themselves. 1.3 million people evacuated safely. Daily death tolls are still decreasing. The mass famine has been "imminent" for four months and hasn't happened.

Someone is clearly lying.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's very obvious you haven't read any of those links or reports yourself. Israel is the one that has repeatedly and constantly lied with fabrications and disinformation, it's well documented.

‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza

Compared to previous Israeli assaults on Gaza, the current war — which Israel has named “Operation Iron Swords,” and which began in the wake of the Hamas-led assault on southern Israel on October 7 — has seen the army significantly expand its bombing of targets that are not distinctly military in nature. These include private residences as well as public buildings, infrastructure, and high-rise blocks, which sources say the army defines as “power targets” (“matarot otzem”).

Although it is unprecedented for the Israeli army to attack more than 1,000 power targets in five days, the idea of causing mass devastation to civilian areas for strategic purposes was formulated in previous military operations in Gaza, honed by the so-called “Dahiya Doctrine” from the Second Lebanon War of 2006.

GAZA STRIP: Famine is imminent as 1.1 million people, half of Gaza, experience catastrophic food insecurity

Latest humanitarian food insecurity assessments – the IPC classification index which is used as a reference by aid agencies – indicate that the entire population of Gaza – 2.2 million people – face "crisis" levels of food insecurity, the OCHA spokesperson said. Of that number, around 1.17 million face "emergency" levels of food insecurity, and the plight for another 500,000 is "catastrophic"

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I've read them, I just don't find them fully credible. Like when Hamas says something isn't a military target, it's just not believable because they always lie. I'm going to go ahead and believe the people that sometimes lie versus the people that always lie. You do you though.

Food insecurity caused by the consequences of one's own actions isn't the same thing as famine and starvation. Hamas should have packed more food before they started a seige. They obviously don't give a fuck about anyone in Gaza, as if that wasn't evident from the tunnels they built under everyone's homes (with or without permission, do any of your links say?).

Hey, maybe they could give up themselves and the hostages in exchange for a ceasefire and Gaza can build itself a port and start partaking in some global shipping; if my neighbor was holding my family hostage and shooting at us, I certainly wouldn't let Door Dash bring them food. You can't take a bunch of hostages and then be like "nah you can't come in to get them or we'll kill you, oh and also you have to still let all our deliveries through!" That's now how it works for anyone, why should only Jews have that standard? Again though if you think you can use someone as a human shield that means they care about you, do you. Just don't start crossing borders with your dark ages bullshit!

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

What are you talking about, Israel has controlled all imports and exports in Gaza and the West Bank since 1967.

The 1994 Paris Protocol between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) entrenched the dependence of the Palestinian economy on Israel via a customs union that leaves no space for independent Palestinian economic policies, tying the OPT to the trade policies, tariff structure and value-added tax rate of Israel. Since 1999, Palestinian gross domestic product (GDP) in the OPT has effectively remained stagnant. The Palestinian economy suffers from numerous restrictions by Israel on trade that impact on the production of exports and importable goods. Almost all Palestinian imports and exports transit ports and crossing points controlled by Israel, where delays and security measures increase costs by an average of USD 538 per shipment, resulting in a significant and persistent trade deficit.

In addition, Israel imposed a “dual use” policy in 2007 that restricts the entry of any goods it deems to potentially have military, as well as civilian, use, including chemicals and technology. The list of 117 liable items is vague, including categories such as “communications equipment, communication support equipment, or equipment with communication functions” that can include items that are found in everyday use, such as home appliances and medical equipment. This policy only applies to Palestinian importers in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, not to their Israeli counterparts or even to Israeli settlers in the OPT. It has had a devastating impact on the economy in general, especially on the agriculture, information and communications technology (ICT) and manufacturing sectors, and has had catastrophic effects in the Gaza Strip in particular.

Israel has let in only minimal food into Gaza leading in food insecurity for the majority of the population since before Oct 7th.

https://www.un.org/unispal/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/OCHAGAZAAM_220223.pdf

https://gisha.org/en/gaza-policy-forum-summary-experts-agree-that-israels-dual-use-policy-causes-acute-distress/

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

More things I already knew.

I'm sure you think Israel started dual use policy out of cruelty and malice, right? You sure it has nothing to do with Gaza choosing corruption and terrorism again and again?

Hamas had two airports. Could have done some trading, had some commerce, and had all the food they could muster right now. That requires respect for other cultures. I'm sure you'd overnight some, right now if they still had an airport. Hamas closed one after starting a war and swearing to murder all of the Jews, and then Hamas abandoned the other one and let it go to shit until it was unusable and people built over it.

They had a water port, until they elected Hamas to power (I guess the election slogan was "more suicide bombings of Jews!" or something to thet extent (and upon taking office they promptly cancelled all future elections because they knew how best to focus Gaza's resources on building out the tunnel system and expanding the number of rockets they could launch at the Jews)).

Yes, Gaza has rightfully been under a blockade pending the demise of Hamas. Instead of rejecting Hamas, Gaza has further empowered and entrenched them. Apparently the people of Gaza will pay any price for the Hamas-run theocratic dictatorship they believe their God has ordained for them (once they genocide all the Jews (you just go on ahead ignoring that little detail before you start sending aid (aid is only conditional when it gets sent to Jews according to your ruleset))).

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You keep saying you know when it's clear you don't.

The only real airport, Yasser Arafat International Airport, in Gaza was opened on 24 November 1998, and all passenger flights ceased in February 2001, during the Second Intifada. Israel bombed the radar station and control tower on 4 December 2001 and bulldozers cut the runway on 10 January 2002, rendering the airport inoperable. The Gush Katif Airport was home for tens of thousands of refugees from the 1948 expulsions, being only briefly operable in 2004 before Israel banned all air travel with the blockade.

Israel has controlled all airspace and water space. Palestinians are unable to even fish beyond the 3-12 nautical mile limit enforced by Israel without getting shot, arrested, and robbed.

Palestinians haven't had freedom of movement since 1991.

In January 1991, during the Gulf War, Israel changed its policy, introducing a demand that any Palestinian wishing to enter Israel or East Jerusalem, including for the purpose of travel between the West Bank and Gaza, must obtain a personal permit from Israel. This policy split the Occupied Territories into three separate areas – the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza – leaving travel between them entirely dependent on Israel’s approval.

Restrictions on Movement - B'TSelem

After the second intifada broke out, Israel tightened the restrictions on Palestinian travel, imposing serious restrictions on travel to and from the Gaza Strip, and cutting it off from the West Bank almost completely. Entry of Gaza residents into Israel for the purpose of family visits or reunification with a spouse was prohibited. Visits by Palestinian citizens of Israel and residents of East Jerusalem to relatives in Gaza were reduced to a minimum. In addition, Israel severely restricted the ability of the entire population of Gaza to travel abroad, with many prohibited from doing so altogether. Import and export were restricted and often halted. Israel also banned most Gaza residents from working inside Israel, taking away the source of income of tens of thousands. The restrictions Israel imposed on the movement of goods and workers caused a deep recession in Gaza, impaired its residents’ earning capacity and caused a sharp decline in living standards.

One aspect of the blockade is the reduction of the area where fishing is allowed in Gaza. The Oslo Accords stipulate a range of 20 nautical miles (about 37 km) off the Gaza shoreline, but Israel has never allowed fishing farther than 12 nautical miles out to sea. Over the years, Israel has gradually narrowed the fishing zone, sometimes to three nautical miles only, and currently between six and nine. The Israeli military also restricts fishing in areas bordering Israel and Egypt. Soldiers fire at fishermen alleging they have sailed beyond the restricted zone, arrest them and confiscate their equipment. In this way, Israel prevents Gaza fishermen from reaching the rich fishing grounds located further out to sea, impedes the ability of thousands of fishermen and people working in related sectors to provide for themselves and their families, and denies Gaza residents an essential source of food.

The Gaza Strip - B'TSelem

[–] snek@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

You're like one of those Nazis who didn't have the stomach to admit people were being gassed after it became clear to everyone else.

People like you make me wish god existed just so there could be some kind of justice. @JustZ@lemmy.world

[–] snek@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

People like you make me lose faith in humanity.