You mean densely-packed cities? I would not call that sane. I would call that hellish. You have no privacy, no yard for your kids and pets to play in, almost no living space, a building manager threatening you with homelessness and catastrophic debt unless you bow to his every whim, and you pay a king's ransom for the dubious privilege of living like that. No thank you.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A lot of untruths to unpack here.

You mean densely-packed cities? I would not call that sane. I would call that hellish.

You have no privacy,

There are forms of non-SFH density that offer plenty of privacy.

no yard for your kids and pets to play in,

The existence of rowhouses makes this false. It's completely possible to have a yard while not living in densities that support public transportation and cycling.

Higher densities also usually come with common amenities like parks, where your children can play, and also walk to/cycle to without risking their lives. Their friends can also walk/cycle there.

almost no living space,

Baseless falsehood.

a building manager threatening you with homelessness

Higher densities does not equal living in a rental apartment, false again

and catastrophic debt unless you bow to his every whim,

As opposed to living in a house which you don't have to incur any debt whatsoever to obtain? Hell of a statement.

and you pay a king's ransom for the dubious privilege of living like that.

Cities are usually more expensive on account of the fact that people actually want to live there, because people want to be close to the things that they want to do, and not have to spend their lives sitting in traffic behind the wheel all their lives. Lots of places have also tax incentivized living in suburban densities to the detriment of those living in higher densities, so it's not like the higher cost is a law of nature.

No thank you.

Generally poor take.

[–] EremesZorn@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not the guy you're replying to, but I lived in a city for four years. I found it miserable, and it's not for everyone. In fact I'd argue that you seemingly advocating for us to live in one big sprawl is the dystopian poor take here.

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago

There are forms of non-SFH density that offer plenty of privacy.

Namely?

The existence of rowhouses makes this false. It’s completely possible to have a yard while not living in densities that support public transportation and cycling.

Rowhouses are just single-family housing subdivisions without gaps between the buildings. They are not high-density housing and they are not any more supportive of public transportation and cycling.

Furthermore, they combine the worst of both worlds: they're little denser and therefore little better for the environment than single-family housing, but they do have a building manager whose whims you have to obey.

Higher densities also usually come with common amenities like parks, where your children can play, and also walk to/cycle to

My cats aren't going to happily wander around in a park full of humans. They're going to run and hide in terror. Parks are not a substitute for a yard.

almost no living space,

Baseless falsehood.

My parents' single-family house has about three times the square footage of my apartment. That's a fact, not a falsehood.

Higher densities does not equal living in a rental apartment

Irrelevant. Even if you “own” a part of a building, someone is in charge of the building as a whole—the building manager—and everyone living in that building must obey the building manager's whims, no matter how cruel, or face fines and/or confiscation of “their” home.

Ownership of parts of buildings is a legal fiction ripe for abuse. Only entire buildings, and the plots of land on which they stand, can be truly owned.

As opposed to living in a house which you don’t have to incur any debt whatsoever to obtain?

“Buying” a condo incurs debt in exactly the same way as buying a house, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

Cities are usually more expensive on account of the fact that people actually want to live there

Well, I certainly can't imagine why.

people want to be close to the things that they want to do, and not have to spend their lives sitting in traffic behind the wheel all their lives.

A minor inconvenience, compared to everything that's wrong with city life.

Generally poor take.

The feeling is mutual.