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Convincing: How do you convince the unconvincable? (lemm.ee)

submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by jeffhykin@lemm.ee to c/solarpunk@slrpnk.net

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Often we dig our own grave making people "defend" their opinion. Instead of winning them over, we push them to become more and more entrenched in their opinion as they build larger mental defenses against the challenges we present. So I want to hear from you:

How do you avoid putting people on the defensive? (Even though those people had a strong alternative opinion)

What was a time where the opposite happened; all the facts were there, but absolutely no one was convinced by the talk?

I feel like solarpunk has a lot of obvious-once-seen ideas and powerful "ahh-ha" moments. But if we can't convince others to take a glimpse from our perspective, not much benefit will come from it.

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[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Very briefly I suppose. Just be aware you're opening another door for them to deflect more, by arguing about that now.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Arguing with who? If they can get you deflected by starting an argument about something else, that's on you. Just say "Lol nice Gish Gallop" and continue explaining the truth.

Here's an example of what I was talking about -- it's a little bit shooting fish in a barrel because the guy was pretty unpopular anyway, but I still felt it was worth articulating some of the positive-side talking points (not just "Biden's good I like him," which is easy to misconstrue into something, but specific tangible examples that are easy to get your head around). But, at the same time, calling out how silly the person's POV on it was. You can't get drawn into a back-and-forth, no; that side of it I do agree with. But if you're playing cards with someone and they're trying to cheat, it's absolutely okay to point out "hey he's cheating, this is how" as long as you're also continuing to play the game.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Yeah, that works. It's very briefly touching on it. Personally though I prefer to keep a laser focus on the most relevant points. Acknowledging anything they do that is outside of the topic of the conversation gives them further engagement on whatever they're doing. It's an offshoot of the don't feed the trolls philosophy I suppose, except in this case its not feeding a trolling method while continuing to engage with the troll themselves.

I think when the convo is reviewed, it becomes pretty clear to an observer who is staying on topic and who is taking the shotgun approach.