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He's not talking about "pre-agrarian;" even medieval peasants got more time off than we do today.
That's mostly a silly meme that's been seized upon.
When they worked, it was from dawn to dusk doing hard labour. And if the harvest wasn't good, they died because the Lord took his tithe regardless.
And that's not to mention the household labour, all of which we take for granted (consider chopping wood every time you wanted heat, mending clothes or the ridiculous process of cleaning them.) Or looking after farm animals etc. The only stuff that's counted in that 150 days silliness is working the land which was only a portion of their real labour.
Can you provide a citation for that, please?
https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/regulation-industry/medieval-peasants-really-did-not-work-only-150-days-a-year#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17104671983190&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.adamsmith.org%2Fblog%2Fregulation-industry%2Fmedieval-peasants-really-did-not-work-only-150-days-a-year
You just cited an English capitalist propaganda think tank. Please provide an objective citation.
Which of their claims or points do you feel is inaccurate?
I'm saying they are a conservative capitalist propaganda think tank. They are an organization who's primary purpose is to create propaganda for capitalism. They are not a credible source on pre-capitalist labor. Please provide an objective source.
Again, what is the specific point with which you disagree? Please provide a claim of theirs with which you disagree.
Edit: Also, fyi, you also mean whose. Who's = who is.
It's not even any kind of sourced document, just an entirely baseless opinion article. No evidence, no references.
I'll repeat again. You have provided a link to the website for a think tank that generates conservative pro-capitalist propaganda. Please provide a legitimate objective source on your claims about pre-capitalist labor.
Is this just your way of saying "I refuse to read the article" ?
They simply point out that the 150 days nonsense comes from a study that ignores large swathes of labour. You are welcome to look at the original study, which they link.
It's pretty basic stuff. Yet again, with what specific part do you disagree? I'm not wild about searching through academia for a probable source troll
When you refuse to engage with the material in a meaningful sense, not just "I dislike the source and that's enough for me!" It doesn't really inspire any hope this will be a productive conversation.
It's a conservative think tank. Feel free to admit that your only source is propaganda. I'm asking you to provide any kind of backing for your claim. As a trans person, as a woman, as a decent human being, a conservative think tank is not a valid source that I'm going to respect. Not even mentioning that again it is an opinion piece. They have provided literally no backing for their statements whatsoever.
Provide me an actual source and I'll respond to it. All the typing you've done, and assuming that you're basing your statements on factual evidence, I'm sure you could've found at least 1 legitimate objective non-propaganda source based on any kind of scholarly or academic analysis of historical records.
Here were my claims:
With which of these claims do you disagree?
I'm not arguing with your claims. I'm asking for a source.
Read Witold Rybczynksi's Home when he talks about medieval life, pages 24 - 36 in my copy.
That's how feudalism worked.
These are pretty self evident. Unless you think they had chainsaws and washing machines in the dark ages?
This is linked in the source I already provided, you can look at the original study: https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html
Yeah I don't think so ...
We can both acknowledge progress and an extreme lack of what that progress should/could have been.
All you have to do is look to countries like China and even Japan where people literally work themselves to death.
Should we be working 40 hours a week? No but let's not pretend that the situation has only gotten worse...