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He's calling the court's bluff. I'm afraid it'll work. They should hold him in contempt and put in in jail, pending trial. I don't believe they will.
As I understand it, knowing that throwing him in jail in contempt of court would likely set off riots, her threat to him for interfering in the process was to speed up the trial. Considering his only real defense is pushing conviction until after the election, I think Trump will soon learn the meaning of “the right to a speedy trial.”
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Good to know that threats of violence are effective in suppressing justice.
He's pulling BS in Georgia this morning as well: Trump tells Georgia witness not to testify
Hope those charges get witness tampering added on
I'm torn, because I think that incitement would bring about the end of the trump era much more quickly, as it'll get put down hard. But I also don't want to advocate violence or for stupid people to get hurt for no reason other than their ignorance.
Ignorance has been out the window for a decade. These people knowingly engaged in falsehoods long enough to convince themselves they're right, and I am sick of giving them a pass as if they're just dumb, poorly informed, unable to find alternatives to their hate rhetoric, etc.
At a certain point, it's malice. The saying about not attributing to malice what can be explained by ignorance is for situations *where all else is equal." We are beyond that point.
Throw the book at him. Let them riot and ruin their own shithole counties, or let them try to drive to big cities to attack them, and then throw the book at them too. I'm done accepting responsibility for the actions of these people, who have been given countless opportunities to not be assholes.
Ignorance punishes itself every day. Yes we should try to prevent it, but Facebook will build a bigger idiot.
It’s not just ignorance. There’s a lot of malice, too.
we have the worlds most advanced, trained, and funded army. Lets let them riot..Lets follow up with force and throw them all in jail.
We can't let the justice system bow to the threat of violence.
The thing is, both sides have a right to a speedy trial. The prosecution, and the citizens they represent, have been waiting three and a half years already.
@mercano @wrath-sedan
Simply because of the complexity of it all. I mean it's never happened before so the DOJ and state justice dept's had to triple-check that each and every "i" was dotted and "t" was crossed. Never mind the millions of pages of evidence that had be collated, then backed up from other sources.
It is mind-boggling it's only been 3.5 years!
It can take a year and a half to convict a mass shooter caught red-handed.
Then let there be riots. The man needs his due.
That’s why there’s an Insurrection Act.
Right? This whole "we can't punish criminals because other criminals might engage in criminal behavior" attitude is mystifying to me. What ever happened with not negotiating with terrorists as a national policy?
It is very odd, someone was claiming we should have let him win the other day because this would have been less dangerous. That is so fucked up. Appeasement is almost never a viable long-term solution is politics and geo-politics. The best time to deal with an abusive force is yesterday, not pulling the Band-Aid early is just making things worse. They will riots anyway, unless he turns America into autocracy, only at this point we won't have to worry about riots.
Anyone saying that is either a shill or a coward, and neither are people we should listen to. Our grandparents and great grandparents didn't sacrifice everything in WWII just for us to allow fucking Nazis to waltz into power uncontested.
The very scenario that quote came from was one of... Extensive, and disastrous, negotiation with terrorists. So, not much has changed.
This is not the way
There won't be any riots when he goes to jail. There will be ten dumb fat people nobody gives a fuck about that show up with their Trump colors, and if they fuck around they will end up in jail with Trump.
I read somewhere that the order of "locking him up" could be appealed extensively and would be an effective delay tactic for him. I think that is why the DC judge wants to speed things up in response to this behavior.
If you mean that he can appeal a contempt charge, that is technically true, but the appeal for that would take place after the main trial and would not prevent him from being held in detention until then.
He can appeal from jail.
I don't think they are ready to work out the kinks of jailing secret service as well. Best outcome is that he is in house arrest and the end of all of this.
Best outcome to treason and coup attempt is house arrest? Lol.
While we're at it, let's do house arrest in an old castle, and make sure all of his friends have house arrest there as well. Maybe have him write a book of some kind, say "My Struggles" or something...
He isn't being investigated or tried for either of those so at the same time we can contemplate what the outcome of his parking ticket would be. Who cares?
For what he is currently being investigated and tried for, I don't believe he would see time in a real jail for. Likely spent the remainder of his life in a decent house with no opportunity to leave. Secret service won't be stripped and I don't see them sharing a jail cell with him. Let alone having a random inmate share a cell or mess hall with a former president.
I just hope whatever outcome he gets includes the inability to post to social media. As much as the punishment needs to dissuade people in the future from behaving like him, I just want to stop hearing his opinion on stuff. It physically hurts to hear his thoughts on stuff. And no matter how hard I try, there seems to be no escape as long as his thoughts exist on social media somewhere, they exist on it everywhere...
He is a social weapon. Weaponised ignorance.
John Dean served prison time in a military facility for Watergate, and he was just Nixon's White House counsel. We have the means to imprison a former president outside of the existing federal prison system.
I think house arrest is the most rational and likely outcome but a military like facility is possible too, I hadn't considered that and am not sure what it would look like. Probably the most secure outcome