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I have a better example. What if a small company made pills or medical devices. Do they get to be noncompliant with the EU law, and tell their patients "we won't get a medical license, there is too few of us to do it"? If you aren't okay with that, you aren't okay with lemmy being noncompliant GDPR-wise
Beautiful example of a commercial company selling products to customers 👍 My questions to you:
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Are lemmy admins handling EU information? Yes. Do they offer services? Yes. It doesn't matter if free or not. Hosting a lemmy instance that allows EU users is therefore illegal.
Let's play it out. I have a commercial instance based on the EU, I have a handful of European citizens who I have processed data.
If any of them tells me they want to delete their data, I can run a script that delete all their data from the database. If they want me to tell you what data I collected from them, it's another data query away.
Please do tell me exactly what is illegal about it.
Your instance is tiny and it is manageable. For large instances, it's not "just a single query". You also can't miss anything, so photos and similar - if they have uploaded something.
Also, does your instance have a cookie prompt? If not, then that's a paddlin.
So, you went from "all instances are liable" to "big instances won't be able to handle it". Not only you just moved the goalposts, you are also missing the point of the Lemmy devs: if compliance with GDPR is problematic only for instances that are so big to the point that the volume of requests can not be manually processed, then it's not something that should be a concern for the developers of the main software and the cost to implement such a thing should be born by the admins themselves!
Cookie prompts are only required if you have tracking cookies, which I don't have on my website or any of the instances I run. Cookies used for authentication or basic functionality (let's say to store the user preference for dark mode) are not tracking the user across multiple sites and therefore do not fall into the requirements for disclosure.
Edit: downvoting without a response serves only to show how lost you are in your argument. You spent the best part of the last two days fueling the mob and throwing accusations at the devs and basically making them criminally irresponsible and now you can't even support the premise that EU instances are somehow not able to comply with the law.
Ah, I see. You're answering your own questions with the answers you like. Do you even need me to agree with yourself?
Let me guess: "no".
If you want to read your opinion typed by somebody else, I suggest you get a secretary. I'm not here to indulge in your fantasy.
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Of course the Lemmy devs aren’t liable for GDPR violations; the admins are. That doesn’t eliminate the problem, though: if the Lemmy devs wish to see their software used as it is now in the long term, they need to introduce GDPR compliance tools. We should consider it gravely concerning that bad actors (e.g., a Reddit employee) can set up Lemmy admins for a massive GDPR suit at any moment.
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I know it’s a stereotype around here, but not everybody on Lemmy is a programmer with free time.
Ah, so now that it is really plainly explained and you have no arguments (since you never did) you start complaining and poisoning the discussion. Good job.