I dont get the hate for a voting system, I think naming it after karma feels a bit weird…. but in general a voting system does hugely improve the quality of crowded conversations and naturally avoids the problems web forums have with only one conversational thread being possible at a time.

People get angry that downvotes should be applied only in valiant noble ways, but honestly sometimes you just gotta downvote somebody for being an asshole and if they are actually an asshole than usually the huge amount of downvotes defangs someone’s ability to claim their viewpoint is held by some exaggerated significant portion of the community.

[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

you just gotta downvote somebody for being an asshole and if they are actually an asshole than usually the huge amount of downvotes defangs someone’s ability to claim their viewpoint is held by some exaggerated significant portion of the community.

The issues is that the asshole is going to downvote you back, and will bring his ten alts to make sure your comment is buried into oblivion. Downvotes can be identified by admins with the current version of Lemmy, but that's a new can of worms (and work for the admins)

[–] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

One downvote from the OP to troll; one downvote from the troll to OP; ten downvotes from the troll’s arsenal of alts to OP; hundreds of downvotes to the troll from the community.

Reddit with their quirks and issues have at least demonstrated it’s fine for the most part. Established communities can identify trolls quickly, make them easier to spot for moderators through voting, and enable moderation tools to act and block quickly. Whereas the current Lemmy system feels like burying their head in the sand, and pretending trolls can’t exist because only admins can, through convoluted queries, see the users’ historical vote aggregate.

[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 6 points 9 months ago

One downvote from the OP to troll; one downvote from the troll to OP; ten downvotes from the troll’s arsenal of alts to OP; hundreds of downvotes to the troll from the community.

Except when other people get into the discussion,and you realize that other people are also part of the circlejerk that the initial troll initiated.

Reddit with their quirks and issues have at least demonstrated it’s fine for the most part. Established communities can identify trolls quickly, make them easier to spot for moderators through voting, and enable moderation tools to act and block quickly. Whereas the current Lemmy system feels like burying their head in the sand, and pretending trolls can’t exist because only admins can, through convoluted queries, see the users’ historical vote aggregate.

On this I agree, Lemmy is definetely lacking on moderation tools. Votes should be visible to mods too.

[–] The_wild_card@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wait...you seem to have 10 alts or so ......?

[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 4 points 9 months ago

My main account is now on Reddthat, which disables downvotes, and I can tell you I don't use my other accounts to downvote people.

But yes, you could potentially use my case as an example, other people might do it, and use them as I said.