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Well, that’s their cruel little trick they play. Because, while capitalism is the driving force behind everything, “degrowing” means endless financial suffering for millions, if not billions, because anything but constant growth triggers a cascading effect of shittiness, where big business gets bailed out, people lose money, inflation grows, and “reinvestment”has to begin or people keep starving.
Capitalism is a death cult, but it’s also like one of those traps you can only go further into, as backing out causes severe damage. You know, like the protectors someone created to insert into a vagina, that have the spikes only facing inward so during a sexual attack, it’s like hotel California?
No idea what the heck you are trying to say, but it seems you're trying to say it in bad faith. Seems like you're making stuff up about degrowth or repeating stuff that others made up. Please read this to actually learn what degrowth means: Degrowth can work — here’s how science can help
I was agreeing with you. I was saying capitalism makes that as hard as they possibly can because their vampiric system relies on constant growth, and anything but constant growth triggers suffering that the owner class escapes with their golden parachutes and bailouts while heaving the fallout onto us. Their system is flawed, shortsighted, and the further we get, writing history with a capitalist system in place, the deeper we dig ourselves.
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Degrowth means suffering for millions, but a better life for billions. The richest 10% of the world are resposible for half the worlds emissions. The world primary energy consumption is 18.2% low carbon. As energy consumption and emissions are linked that means by cutting smartly we can half our global emissions that way. Btw a lot of people in rich countries are not in the global 10% either. Really only the USA and richest European countries have even roughly half their population in the global 10%.
Really can't get behind the "ends justify the means" approach. The ethical amount of intentional human suffering is 0. If a plan to improve the human experience involves involuntary human sacrifice, it's time to go back to the drawing board.
Suffering in this case means the material life quality of 1960 Switzerland for everybody on earth with significantly fewer hours worked. I am not talking human sacrifice. As for intentional suffering, the fact that the behavior of the rich is unethical.