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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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Can't get past the paywall, but there's enough info to be outraged:

 

A police officer who fatally shot a dog while responding to a mistaken report of a domestic disturbance can’t be sued by her owners, the Eighth Circuit affirmed Thursday.

A neighbor of Brandee Buschmann and William Morrison called the Kansas City, Mo., police department to report noises which led him to believe that a domestic disturbance was occurring at their home. Officers John Beck and Jeffrey Lagud arrived to investigate, and Beck shot and killed the residents’ dog, a 14-year-old rescue named Sierra, shortly after Lagud knocked on the door. Upon investigating, the officers determined the neighbor’s reported noises had...

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[–] Iamdanno@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When an individual takes matters into their own hands, it will be them versus the entire police establishment. There won't magically appear an army of citizens beside them to help them out. This fight was lost before we even realized it needed to be fought.

[–] elscallr@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's because people kept banging the drum that the citizenry shouldn't be better armed than the state.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Oh for fucks sake, how many more guns will stop the police bullshit?? Like really, if every citizen had 100 guns, would that fix the police???

This idiotic, infantile idea that somehow more guns is the solution is so fucking moronic.

If you lived in a fucking wild wild west banana Republic you MIGHT be right, but any halfway functioning society will never be fixed with mur gunz!!

So fucking sick of seeing this idiotic comment.

The day your solution actually works will be the day I hope me and my loved ones are long gone because you are describing a hellscape where the only recourse people have to make any political change is through gun violence.

[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

biggest problem with that theory (that an armed populace checks abusive government) seems to be that the folks that tend to be most-armed are also routinely cheering the police on as they abuse their authority