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[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ukraine and the other nations affected consider it a genocide.

I don't think the developers are evil. However, I do think denying recognition of genocides and atrocities by authoritarian states is evil.

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I contemplated linking the map myself, but decided against it: Politics being as important as evidence for the decisions regarding officially recognizing something or not. However, since you brought it up, there are only 26 countries calling it a genocide (not a lot). All of them part of the western bloc during the cold war, but not even including everyone inside it (look at the nordic countries for instance). I am avid supporter of truth and of course against genocide with every fibre of my body, but finding out exactly what happened is sometimes difficult. Arguably as important and more difficult is the why, and I think there seldom are clear cut answers, though the questions are worth exploring. It is not evil to be wrong about these things unless it is intentional, which I do not think is the case for normal people.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So do you or do not believe the Holodomor is a genocide?

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is not a question of belief, it is a question about facts and proof of which I am not in a position to rule on. I think the ideological war and propaganda of the times destroyed and distorted proof to an extent that it is not clear what happened exactly and why. We know it was a humanitarian tradgedy and a lot of people died, which could and should have been prevented. I also think some of those that knew what happened said something else than what was true because it was to their benefit.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a pretty simple question. Was the Holodomor a government-military-led crisis?

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Simple questions do not always fit into the framework of complex problems though. Also, what do you mean by "government-military"? In Soviet, to my knowledge, there was no paramilitary forces, so I don't understand the term. To be clear here, I do not think there are any compelling reasons to not hold the regime accountable for the crisis and the handling of it.