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[–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Private ownership of things made by people is perfectly reasonable; the person who made the thing should own it and be able to sell or transfer it as desired. So a rock you found isn't made by people, so yeah, but a painting, or a chair, etc, was.

It's land that wasn't made by people where private ownership gets really ridiculous.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

But where to keep all my stuff asked the guy eternally renting?

[–] Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I can relate to that, but even in this manner, most of the goods made are the result of vast investments of time efort and money of lots of peoples over decades, just for few individuals to be the owners of.

(Btw, English is not my main language)

[–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

It is true that once production of an item becomes a greater task than simply the work of one person, the ownership of it can be considered more complex, but my point was that at least something created by people makes sense to be owned by its creator.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Well, under a free market economic system, each of those people is paid for their input to the thing, and only participates in that when they decide it’s worth their time to do so.

[–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

Only in frictionless spherical cow in a vacuum territory - that is to say in theory in unachievable ideal conditions. In the real world the market is wildly distorted and people are forced by a variety of external pressures to participate even if they don't believe they are being offered what they are worth.

[–] Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Only the owner (or shareholders) Researchers in universities, are getting paid by public funding from tax payers money (which is agood thing). Every major development is the product of lots of tiny developments and advansments in which the creators or inventors didn't get their compensation from the end product. Workers in manufacturing are getting paid the least amount of compensation the owner can get away with, or even worse, manufacturing is moved to countries with even less protection for workers. Oh, and workers need protection from the owners.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

But land is literally the first form of property. Territory is defended in life’s history long before any moveable object.

If anything, the conception of certain objects as being part of a person’s territory is the stranger step to take.

[–] SquirtleHermit@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I kinda get the feeling that food was the first form of property. Land (by way of good shelter) was probably a close second with good rocks and sticks.

[–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

This point neither supports nor erodes the logic of ownership of territory or land; it merely points out that it has a very long history. Many things have a long history, some of which have consistent reason and logic behind them, and some which do not.