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"Bro, just believe me, I definitely didn't just make all of this shit up.".
-you
How about this. Lets meet in the middle. You come up with a source that is in contrary and ill come up with a source thats in favor and we can have a discussion. Otherwise, you just want a source that you can easily disqualify.
That's not how that works. You made a claim that you can't backup. Meeting in the middle would be if you provided a source and we could discuss the validity. If your alleged source is so weak that it can be "easily disqualified" then you don't really have a source then, do you? So maybe you didn't pull it out if your own ass, but instead you saw someone else pull it out if their ass and you regurgitating their shit.
What if I concede to not having made any research prior to my claims... much like you not making any research before trying to disprove. We would be even steven and we can start from the bottom. Otherwise, you are losing a golden opportunity to educate me correctly.
No concession. You made shit up. The onus is on you to provide proof, not me to disprove. The only education for you is to not just spread bullshit next time. If you make a claim, support it with evidence.
I dont see that you have evidence for the contrary though. Why would i need evidence on a claim that is so well understood? I need you to prove me wrong.
This is what you are doing.
Either you're arguing in bad faith or you're too dense to understand how this works. You make a claim and can't support it. That means your claim has no merit. It means nothing without supporting evidence. Nobody has to disprove it because it carries no value. You say it's well understood, but can't back it up. That's it. Baseless claims are equivalent to falacy that don't need disproven.
Buddy im past that. Im asking you now to help me understand. If you cant help me underatand then you can say that. Ill concede and say i made a baseless claim. It is a claim I have heard but i dont remember where i saw. But i want help understanding how it works. The only information i see look like this.
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
This doesnt specify how it was spent. I am assuming loans are taken out from banks and they need funds to pay back the interest on the loans. I dont see information on that specifically though.