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Is NZ too small to make a difference on climate change? (mas.to)
submitted 2 years ago by rimu@lemmy.nz to c/newzealand@lemmy.nz
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Now the climate crisis is self-evident, a common argument by those who STILL defend polluters is that “NZ is too small to make a difference, and so shouldn’t have to stop intensive dairy farming or driving Ford rangers to school in Auckland”

Rod Carr destroys it in this mic-drop moment.

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[–] BalpeenHammer@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

First, that parts not true. Emissions in 2020 dropped around 7%. It was largely due to COVID lockdowns, but still shows it’s possible.

Did the global emissions drop or did the rate of increase drop?

And what makes you think that because something has never been done before it can’t be done now?

Because the mechanisms that caused the problem are still in place and you aren't going to upend capitalism anytime soon.

he people with the money (e.g. fossil fuel giants) would absolutely love for us to do nothing, because they’ll be able to keep raking it in.

No they want you to do stuff and take responsibility so they don't have to. There is a reason you think the burden is on you and me instead of the corporations and the governments.

[–] SamC@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Did the global emissions drop or did the rate of increase drop?

Absolute global emissions dropped 7%, see: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co-emissions-by-region?time=2010..latest

(If you expand out the date range, you'll also see there are other years where there were drops).

Because the mechanisms that caused the problem are still in place and you aren’t going to upend capitalism anytime soon.

I am glad for you that you can be 100% confident about what will happen in the future!

No they want you to do stuff and take responsibility so they don’t have to. There is a reason you think the burden is on you and me instead of the corporations and the governments.

This is quite different from what we've been talking about so far. We've been discussing whether society as a whole can do anything about climate change, and you've been arguing that there's absolutely nothing we can do.

There's a separate discussion about who or what is responsible and/or needs to make changes. All our say about that is that it will be everyone who needs to make changes.

[–] BalpeenHammer@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 years ago

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co-emissions-by-region?time=2010..latest

Here, I zoomed the chart out a bit so you can get the real picture

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co-emissions-by-region?time=1980..latest

I am glad for you that you can be 100% confident about what will happen in the future!

Yes I am 100% confident that we will not upend capitalism just like you are 100% confident the world will not emit any CO2 by 2050.

We’ve been discussing whether society as a whole can do anything about climate change, and you’ve been arguing that there’s absolutely nothing we can do.

You can do whatever you want. It won't undo the damage and it won't help.