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I seriously cannot have any degree of nuanced conversation here.

Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.

The result just feels like an echo chamber where no actual solutions get presented other than someone posting whole ass dissertations on their 33-step (where 30/33 steps are about as vague as "we'll just handle it") plan to fully convert the world to an anarchist commune.

Edit: I still vastly prefer Lemmy and the fediverse and a whole, my complaint here is that many of you are TOO INTENSE. You blow up small scale discussion.

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[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 109 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Welcome to the Internet? It's not just Lemmy lol

[–] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agree. Reddit was the same thing if not worse. Nuance is [apparently] dead and if you do not explain everything from the dawn of Man to cover your thought, people pick the comment apart like carrion as if you've never thought about anything deeply before. They might even gloss over things you did say and attempt to invalidate or discredit your post because only they hold the Truth of the Internet handed down from the Elders. It can be a bit frustrating.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did you even consider vegans don’t eat decaying flesh? You cant just hold everyone to your standards. I’m not even going to bother reading the rest of what you wrote because you're so fundamentally wrong already that I'm confident i can stop there and not miss anything of substance.

[–] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This is gold. Thank you!

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Thats a great song, thanks for sharing!

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

IMO, it's anywhere that has a voting system in place. Every forum has a hivemind, but the hivemind is especially reinforced when fake Internet points are at stake. That, and moderators yanking comments they don't agree with.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was really hoping we'd leave that behind when we stopped totalling them up.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Both the web interface and various apps still have the functionality in place (though I think the individual user can disable it). I think that since a lot of Lemmy users are reddit refugees, the mentality carried over unfortunately. That said, hiveminds and echo chambers are kind of human nature, so it's pretty hard to escape; ultimately it's on the individual to either fall in line or ignore it.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The web ui shows your total karma?

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah maybe not total but separated, still though, simple math. I'm on Voyager more than my desktop so I don't really see the web UI very often.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

simple math

Go ahead and try to add up my my comment karma lol.

ETA: if your app shows an aggregate this is because it wasn't removed from the API. This is an oversight as noted on the github.

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Karma is removed in 0.19, curious where you still see it. Anyway its impossible to calculate correctly for remote users, because there is no guarantee that the local instance has fetched all posts from that user, and all votes on those posts.

[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Boost for Lemmy app still gives you your total "karma" score for some reason

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It was removed from the web ui but was still left in the API.

dessalines:

Public karma counts and karma farming are one of the things we really don't want to replicate from reddit, there was a discussion about it for lemmy-ui, and it was decided to stop showing them because of how psychologically harmful it is.

We should've removed these a long time ago from the API. As a substitute, you can show the post_count and comment_count instead of those scores.

[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I honestly forget it's there most of the time as I don't typically look up my own profile lol

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You need some way to order stuff. How would you prefer to order content if not by votes? Isn't votes at least a somewhat democratic way to do it? And much like democracy, it might not be great but I have no better ideas.

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago

Traditionally, forums just sort by time. Doesn't scale that well for big places obviously

[–] MadBob@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago

And much like democracy, it might not be great but I have no better ideas.

Just make me godking of the universe and I'll put it all right.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And as case in point, some dickhole already felt the need to apply one downvote to your very factual comment.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Lol yup, at which point I giggle and move on with my day

[–] hono4kami@pawb.social 1 points 6 months ago

Yeah, but I feel like it's worse in Reddit and even WAY worse in here. I'm not sure I wanna keep using Lemmy anymore. Or threadiverse as a whole