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Expensive school uniforms don't make kids better at maths, so why are schools so focused on them? (www.abc.net.au)
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[–] Psiczar@aussie.zone 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Tell me you’re not a parent without telling me you’re not a parent.

Draconian? My kids wear a school polo over regular blue shorts and sneakers, public school isn’t like Hogwarts.

I’d much rather get them to wear that than fuck around making sure their favourite shirt is washed or having to buy some name brand shirt because the cool kids all have one.

[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not a parent, but I graduated from highschool a few years back. Our school had compulsory uniforms. Clothes and general appearance are integral to one's personality. After I got out of high school, I had absolutely no dressing sense. I had no idea what clothes I liked, what styles I liked, what colors I liked n so on. School was my life. Outside school, I didn't hang out with my buddies outside of sports related activities. Hence, casual wear was an afterthought.

After I got out of school though, I began to explore and unlocked a part of my identity that had been forcefully locked away by school. Today, I don't buy any expensive or branded clothes at all. I choose my clothes based on their color and style. I'm not the show off type in any sphere of my life, because I wasn't raised that way. I was told "no" whenever it was necessary. You know... Parenting?

Don't your kids do their own laundry? Also, can't you say "no" to kids for that hypothetical expensive branded shirt?

Is it really worth stifling your kids' identity for convenience?

[–] runjun@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Did you wear no clothes in the evening or on the weekend? I have a lot of residual shame from dressing “poor” in comparison to peers at school. Also, there’s going to be dress codes regardless, which is also stifling individuality. That is usually packaged in sexism as well.

[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Did you wear no clothes in the evening or on the weekend?

I did, but I wasn't with my peers then. So I kinda didn't have a point of reference for this. When I was with my peers, I was in athletic wear which again, the school picked out for us.

I have a lot of residual shame from dressing “poor” in comparison to peers at school.

I'm sorry for that... I'm sure there are many who feel the same as you. But is it worth enforcing school uniforms to protect these kids while stifling the identity of others? Is it worth normalising steep authoritarianism for this?

Also, there’s going to be dress codes regardless, which is also stifling individuality. That is usually packaged in sexism as well.

Exactly. All of which is wrong. School uniforms normalise bs like this, which is why they shouldn't exist.

[–] runjun@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry for that... I'm sure there are many who feel the same as you. But is it worth enforcing school uniforms to protect these kids while stifling the identity of others? Is it worth normalising steep authoritarianism for this?

Society already imposes a dress code. Even without laws, a person that goes against the grain will be ostracized to varying degrees. People will refuse to interact with you or refuse to provide services or prohibit you from working for them. Even the amount of clothes is enforced as you can’t even just walk around naked without consequences in most locations.

Exactly. All of which is wrong. School uniforms normalise bs like this, which is why they shouldn't exist.

I don’t think what you’re saying is necessarily incorrect as it can be very easily used to reinforce authoritarian ideals. But most US schools don’t have uniforms but they have you say the pledge of allegiance which is way weirder in my opinion. Now, most kids mumble through and legally they can’t make you say it. But like I was saying above, if you outright refuse then you could be ostracized by your peers or leadership which is traumatizing too.

[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee -1 points 9 months ago

Society already imposes a dress code. Even without laws, a person that goes against the grain will be ostracized to varying degrees. People will refuse to interact with you or refuse to provide services or prohibit you from working for them.

Which is absolutely wrong. If we want to protect the liberty of all, then we must move away from such an archaic culture.

Even the amount of clothes is enforced as you can’t even just walk around naked without consequences in most locations.

This most likely will pin me as a radical, but I would argue that the right to nudity is extremely important and must be protected. Mark my words- you will see a social movement for this too once the other pro-liberty movements become successful-ish (like the LGBTQ movement).

But most US schools don’t have uniforms but they have you say the pledge of allegiance which is way weirder in my opinion.

Absolutely! Indoctrination at its finest!